Sorry dude but nobody is going too care and like i said since the majority likes it Bethesda isnt going too change for the minority so whats the point?

Good point, although it isn't as ridiculous as the "running into a wall for four hours" bit. But yes, they should have built in a point of diminishing returns in terms of making any specific item with smithing. Make it so that you got the most effective leveling of the skill from making all different items from all different materials. It would make leveling smithing skill more expensive, but it would have been more logical.


Excellent point. Varying levels of complexity of rules, while both examples have a high level of strategy involved. This applies to TES games; yes, Skyrim has some rulesets simplified compared to earlier TES games, but that doesn't mean the resulting strategies are simpler, any more than chess strategy is simpler than an AH type strategy game.


Does that work? Is sneak leveled even when people can see you and the "sneak eye" is open indicating this, or does it only work when you're actually hiding? Either way, I halfway suspect that in Oblivion and probably Morrowind you could have leveled stealth even without sneaking around others.


I'm not sure what this post means.


Try the Supreme Commander series of RTS games, or even their spiritual predecessor, Total Annihilation. They might well change your opinion about RTS games. I've played plenty of turn-based 4X strategy games myself, from the entire Civ series, I-V, to Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, to Master of Magic to all three Master of Orion games (don't get the third one, it's a miserable nightmare) to the Call of Power games. Starcraft was fun to tinker with but it's so ridiculously biased toward rushes it's ridiculous, and in reality I found the Warcraft games to be similar: fun to tinker with but I'll never play them online against humans, because you have two choices: rush or lose.

SupCom is entirely different. The original was great, and the standalone expansion Forged Alliance made it ten times as great, with added units and a redesigned UI. SupCom 2 has, unfortunately, a greatly reduced number of units available, and a completely different method of advancing technology in the game, but it's definitely still great. You have an amazing zoom function, where you can zoom all the way into individual units and zoom all the way out to a strategic view, you can alter the game speed at the press of a key, there are multiple viable strategies - rushing can work, but so can turtling, and anything in between - and land, air and (depending on the map) sea strategies are all viable. The camera is completely or nearly completely free: you can rotate 360 degrees and tilt the camera anywhere from directly overhead to nearly down on the horizon. Most or all of the weapons use actual collision detection, I think. It's worlds away from stuff like Warcraft and Starcraft. Utterly different, and the most amazing series of RTS games ever. And if you like to take your time, you can, like I said, slow the game speed down or even pause it if you like. You can still issues orders while paused, so you aren't stuck with a ridiculous clickfest like pretty much every other RTS game.

Lets Plays dont count.

Sorry, but your comment doesn't make much sense. I never said I'm not finding new things to see and do. I never said anything about Morrowind, nor did I say I bought the game for console and can't enjoy mods, therefore that is why I do not like Skyrim. I clearly said, even with mods, Skyrim isn't holding my attention.

FYI, I never much cared for Morrowind, and am not blind to the flaws that Oblivion had, nor am I blind to the flaws that Skyrim has. I will not blindly heap praise on any game, whether it's a Bethesda game or not..

While I love this game and my only two real complaints are 1) The lack of spell creation and 2) the shortness of the guild quests, I have to say that I am getting really tired of hearing about "the bottom line". Sheeple keep defending the dumbing down of RPGs and cutting of features (everywhere, not just with Bethesda and not even just with PC games) all because "its what makes the company money". Honestly, as a consumer, I don't give a bleep about what makes the company money. I care about what makes ME as a consumer, happy. And we have every darn right in the world as consumers to voice our concerns and criticisms. I don't care if Joe Teeny Bopper down the street likes AD&D better because with the 4th edition they permanently killed off Mystra and crap-canned most of the Forgtten Realms' rich lore and now Wizards of the Coast is making more $$$. I care that for me, the setting is ruined. I don't care that "streamlining" TES and making it far more console crowd friendly has increased sales and they can now bathe in tubs filled with 100 dollar bills. I care that for me, the game suffers which in turn makes my enjoyment of the game suffer.

I know that "the bottom line" is all that these companies care about anymore, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or be silent, so quit telling us about how the company made $10 million by cutting awesome features out as if that makes what's problematic to us all better.

Play republic commando...That came out 1 YEAR After Morrowind and in my view had great Graphic even by are standards...

Luckily for us, a company isn't a democracy and are free to change the path that they're on.

Well, for starters, YOU seem to care about what the "minority" says.

Why the hell would A watch a lets play!? There just a bunch of people playing a game and telling tasteless jokes...

Yes, because an open world RPG that I'm not even sure how they fit on a console in the first place=A linear FPS...

Sneak goes up when you successfully hide, so you need to pick a spot where you are hidden but if you weren't sneaking you would be seen.

Thanks for the tips, Ill be sure to try those games

Now this I agree with.

If that's all you were doing then you were missing out on some of the more interesting aspects of spell creation. I combined a shield, bound sword and light spell so I could case one spell and be ready for combat in a dimly lit dungeon. Others created a spell that combined invisibility and calm so they could get sneak damage after being detected. Then there is spell chaining where you can get infinate magicka by combining a fortify magicka 100 spell with a damage spell of an appropriate level so that you can cast it indefinately. There are all sorts of creative combinations you can make with Oblivion spellmakign adn the ones you list are only some fo the more obvious ones.

Re: the OP. I love Skyrim and am enjoying it immensly but at the same time I tend to agree with many of the points made in this thread by the OP and others and think Skyrim could be a lot better if these issues were addressed. I miss spell creation and more complex character creation and was disappointed the moment Todd Howard said we would get neither.

I swear I remember an interview when Mr. Howard said that we would at least be able to combine different spell effects through dual casting, but unfortunately that has turned out not to be the case.

Republic commando was mainly made for Pc...And if you want an open world Role playing game that was "Old" play knights of the old republic that came out in 2004....And it had very good graphics...

Im a Skyrim supporter so I cant really go with the hate thats been placed on it, but I do see some sense in some of the things their saying.

2003

Isnt this forum made for people who actually like the game? ...

Guess that's why I played RC on my Box. LOL at a linear RPG like Kotor compared to an open world game as big and in depth as Morrowind.

I remember my rig and the games published back then - its graphics were actually good for its age - and i also guarrantee you that few would be able to play such a game with better graphics, with so many npcs, spell effects, large cities and content if they had made it more fancy looking.

It wasant linear?! You know how many choices you could make!? And the game was huge filled with many interesting quests with many Sub-Plots. It also had one of the best stories in rpg history at the time.

I've never stopped criticizing the parts of the game that I feel need to be criticized. I still don't like the shortened quest lines. I still don't like the lack of custom spells. I still don't like the enchanting system. I still don't like the lack of attributes. But, the game is still good enough that I can overlook its flaws and enjoy it for what it is.

Graphically, it was linear, the world, was linear, choices don't make graphics, which has been your whole point, graphics. Not sure why even, most people in this thread couldn't care less about graphics. They are an added benefit and they don't make up the whole game.

Kotor is a JRPG compared to Morrowind.

Your typical "it's not an RPG" critic of Skyrim doesn't move anywhere easily. I think we all know I speak the truth.

Exactly. Too much of the critique is of the "this game svcks and you'd see it too if you were as serious and hardcoe as me" variety.


Agreed. Neither could I, for the most part.


Not much, no. As I said earlier, two of the spells I created were Fortify Speed by 100 and Fortify Athletics by 100, both for like six seconds. The Fortify Athletics spell boosted my actual movement speed by far more than did the Fortify Speed spell - not that either spell was particularly useful in actual play. I found most attributes pointless to improve. I assume Strength improved my carry weight noticably, but that's about it, and I get the same thing in Skyrim by leveling Endurance or whatever the current name for the stat is.