She didn't rule over it in an overt sense, but they were definitely under her influence and control. Especially the religious influences. The only people who attempted some kind of "autonomous" rule were people King Wulfarth. That's what real "Nord freedom" amounted to. Destroying Alessian influence, reinstating Nordic pantheons, etc.. This guy wasn't "good". Later on down the line, he eventually clashed with another Nord - Talos.


edit: lol.. saw your second post. It sounds like you're here to make this your soapbox for anti-Talos preaching. Nevermind.

I think the notion of a "subsistence economy" grew up in Skyrim. It's REALLY hard to grow crops when your growing season is minimal - even if you have specific crops with a low number of growing days to harvest. It's hard even for people used to deep cold year round to get with the program.... Cold seeps into your bones.... And bitter cold can make keeping buildings and roads together problematic. Ice and roads == impossible.

Skyrim hasn't ever been warm. People are used to an ice age which never mitigates even a little. It's hard to work, harder to play, sometimes impossible to live....

They decimated the genocidal, corrupt, Alessian Order. Even Cyrodiil despises the Alessian Order.

The Alessian Order maked Shor, Wulfharth, and Ysgramor look like elf-lovers.

Skyrim worked together with elves to stop them. The Alessian pantheon is not the Alessian Order. The Alessian Order was monotheistic, unlike the Cyrodiilic pantheon.

That makes no sense. Alessia blended Mer and Men pantheons. Wulfharth wanted to wipe out all elves completely and utterly. How does it amount to Alessia being worse? It makes no logical sense.

Yes. Empires are empires otherwise they'd be called nations. I'm not going to argue this in yet another thread so go ahead and mock me for not knowing the "lore" - the devs chose the word "empire" for what it means.

Suit yourself, I guess. You're not really doing justice to the TES series when you take this approach though. It's someone else's world.. that's why the lore matters, to get somewhat acquainted with it. Just like you if started a new job, and don't know the environment, sometimes it's best to know the rules of the game instead of just reading things on the surface.

Because Alessia herself had nothing to do with the Alessian Order, aside from appearing in a vision. She herself did not found it. Instead, a priest named Marukh did several hundred years after Alessia's death.

No where is it said Wulfharth wanted to wipe out all elves. He hated the Dunmer, yes, but his views on elves is never expanded on.

This monotheistic religion was once very popular, but today only remnants of its faith remain. It started in the coastal jungle of what is now the Colovian west, where a prophet named Marukh, who had spoken to the "Enlightened One," Saint Alessia, began to question the validity of Elven rule. These sentiments led to an increasingly abstract and unknowable depiction of a Single God. The Alessians were wise enough to realize that they had to incorporate the ancient polytheistic elements into their new religion for it to find a wide acceptance. The divine aspects worshipped by the various humans and Aldmeri were recognizable in the guise of the myriad saints and spirits of the evolving Alessian canon. It wasn't long before the Order was the authority on every religion in Tamriel, and their power grew to earthshaking proportions. Nearly a third of the First Era passed under their theocratic rule. When its priesthood had become too widespread to support itself, the Order began to fight among itself. With the severance of the territories of West Cyrodiil from the Empire, too much money and land had been lost. The War of Righteousness broke out, and the Order which had almost ruled the world undid itself in a ten year span.

Read http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-cyrodiil, please.

Hmmm... I can't seem to find anything on the Alessians being genocidal. They didn't like elves, but nothing on purges right now. I take that point back.

Anyway, the Alessian Order is not the Alessian pantheon.

Who cares if some dynasties from the past decided to use the Empire to conquer Tamriel? That was a different Empire and a different time. What happend happend, you can't change it.

But for now I'm going to try my best to reshape the Empire into what it was supposed to be. At swordpoint if necessary.

In some texts, it sounds like he was pretty hellbent on conquering all elves, not just dunmer. Especially as the "underking", later on. He believed Talos was destined to do it, but in the end, Talos made peace with the Tribunal. This was ultimate betrayal in his eyes, and they departed ways.

The Underking continues to press on Tiber Septim the need to conquer Morrowind. The Emperor is not sure that it is a wise idea. He has heard of the Tribunal's power. The Underking wants his vengeance, and reminds Tiber Septim that he is fated to conquer the Elves, even the Tribunal. Arctus advises against the move but Septim covets the Ebony in Morrowind, as he sorely needs a source of capital to rebuild Cyrodiil after 400 years of war. The Underking tells him that, with the Tribunal dead, Septim might steal the Tribunal's power and use it against the High Elves (certainly the oldest enemies of Lorkhan, predating even the Tribunal). Summerset Isle is the farthest thing from Tiber Septim's mind. [Arcturian Heresy]

Tiber Septim "NOT" good? are you crazy? He is the one who ascended, he made the eight become the nine. he is, TALOS! I highly doubt the Divines would allow someone "bad" or "evil" into their ranks

Yes, but it doesn't say he wants to wipe them out. Just kill the Tribunal.


He forced his way in by killing Talos.

Kill the Tribunal, so he can proceed towards Sumerset. The text makes it sound like the Tribunal was only the beginning of his ambitions.

The septim Empire is dead, nothing will bring it back, I hope you people realise this.
Tulluis is one of the most likeable characters in the entire game, he truly cares for his men, he is a great leader, He is basically the Mother!@#|ing tamriel version of Gaius Julius Caesar!

Well... it's pretty complicated. People loved the guy so much for being a badass general that conquered the known world that they started worshipping him. Then he became a god after he died, I think.

I believe it's called mantling.

You never know. Perhaps a new dynasty/empire/hero is on the rise, one that could fight the dominion, bring stability to tamriel, etc etc... you get the drift.

I suppose Tullius would fit that bill nicely. I like his no-nonsense attitude. And he doesn't make a show out of the civil war like Ulfric.

That's true. But another dragonborn is back. What that means, I don't know. Maybe we have a choice to do something cooler than even Septim. Just like he superceded the memory of Reman.

Or maybe we just don't matter at all. I know one thing. I sure as hell am I not going to play a mere soldier in either of these stupid armies that exist in the game right now. I like Tullius more than Ulfric, but I don't like how both sides expect you to take an oath. An oath to either Ulfric or Mede. I would take an oath to a "cause", but not people. And especially not those specific people.

Dude, the Septim Dynasty is long dead. The Mede Dynasty rules the empire.

You might have different feelings about the monarchy if they sold out your country to alien outsiders.

Anything inspired from Rome is awesome.

We'll make a new one. As dragonborn, it shouldn't be too hard.

Problem is, as long as the civil war is going on, you can assume the Aldmeri Dominion have the advantage. My Dragonborn character can't really be at peace with that. But swearing an oath to support a guy isn't on her list either.

And both factions have their good and bad points. The Imperials lack honor, good leadership and are too close to the Thalmor, while the Stormcloaks are way too territorial and xenophobic. Tullius is quite tolerant but a dike, Ulfric is too uncertain, has the wrong motives and is kinda like a puppet. Ahhh, choices, choices.

let me see...

empire pluses:
heavy armor
thalmor help
likes torture and public executions....

stormcloaks:
fighting for homeland
light armor
fighting for freedom
will work with other races aslong as your not a milk drinking bum...

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down sides

imperials:
already streatched thin from war they basicly lost and got thalmor pole up rear end...
turns a blind eye to thalmor executions and genocide
really have no honor anymore (willing to execute for petty theft and illegal border crossing...)
no longer the septim family

stormcloaks:
come off as racist if your not willing to help their cause
not attractive to the weak (in terms of being governed by the stormcloaks) if your not going to help get outta the way
...................

grey area:

ulfric helped the thalmor beat the empire.... and got betrayed by the wgc...
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i am a loyal stormcloak

An Empire is built to dominate and to attack. For the Thalmor to attack the Empire, it's asking for revitalization. With the Empire attacking the Thalmor after the Skyrim Civil War, higher technology sectors get raised, food production is increased, and the economy is stimulated to a new high. At least considering that the Empire does in fact, fight in Thalmor land.

The Stormcloak are an organization with a leader that's hating ALL non-men races. I understand if they hate Elves because of the Thalmor. However, Argonians and Khajiit can be valuable people in a war.

tiber septim empire which i have loved over the years is gone and in the dust. Someone else just took over it but its not the same empire which i have fond memories of. Now that i am dragonborn...i see an oppertunity in takign the crippled and deseased countrys we have right nwo and molding them into a mighty nation again..if i have to do it by sword and fire for the greater good.....=]

as far as oaths go, hell i alrdy swore multiple oaths to several daedra and not really keeping those...thats gonna be fun to watch when i die and they all try to get my soul lol.


they hate the thalmor elves, when they say they rather not be ruled by elves "which elves are i power to rule over them?" and as far as the argonians and khajits, well the khajits aint allowed into towns even AFTER the legion winste civil war AND the argonians are pretty much being scammed and conned by their drug dealer/boss at the docks. Dunmer in Windhelm...only ones getting flack are the ones that sit and drink all day while the ones that have jobs and helping the community have no problems at all.

Um. That's a really elitist attitude. People can play this game and have a WONDERFUL time without ever knowing one scrap of lore. For you, knowing lore matters. For me, not so much. For someone else, not at all.

"Doing justice" to the game? Get real. It's an escape from real life. If I, or buckom, or you, or YAHOUDI for cats'sakes enjoys the game no matter how they're playing it, that's all that matters. You're not an apologist for the game, the devs, whoever.

Omg, This is one of the most biased "Lists" I have ever read...
First of all the Empire does not "help" the Thalmor, Tulluis is the start of the game refused to hand over Ulfric to the Thalmor. And not, they will only work with you if you are men, they hate mer and beast races, And yeah there spreed so thin because they have to commit there forces to fighting the damm stormcloaks,Also just because you dont fight with them dosent mean your weak, I Shouted down Ulfric and appeared strong even though i was against them