How can I win this argument? : Othor Games

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:09 am

So my friend thinks Scotland is a country... :facepalm:

Nothing I say can convince him otherwise.

Sorry, OP, but that's the biggest load of fail I've seen all week.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:20 pm

Australia must not be a country either since it's an island.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:18 pm

A large number of men willing to strip naked and charge people with spears helps a lot with the first and the third.

Haha, well, that's how most countries were formed alright

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:43 am

Where in my post did it say 'independent'? Go on, where?

Well, whether or not a region can be considered a country is really more of a politicological and historical question rather than a geographic one.

If there is plenty of evidence, then why do you need us? Why do you not provide us with this evidence to prove you are right? Why did you not provide one bit of evidence as yet? All I see in this thread is a serious case of Ferrous Cranus.

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/states.htm

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:39 am

My rule of thumb for using Wiki for reference is to check their sources listed at the bottom of the article. For example I found this one:
http://www.thecommonwealth.org/YearbookInternal/139598/geography/ in which clearly states Scotland is referred to as a country.

That too.

As I have said before, the problem here is that "country" might have different definitions depending on context, e.g. political, historical etc. Whatever category it slots into or doesn't slot into, it's referred to as a country in all situations I have come across and there is no changing that.

I'm pretty sure 5c3j9r7 has it confused with "sovereign state".

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:42 am

I am a long way from being the smartest person in the world, but if there is one subject I know a lot about it's geography.

There is plenty of evidence you just choose to not hear the facts. Scotland is not a country.

Pick up an atlas, Scotland is there clearly shown with borders, population, flag and a capital.

I have some questions for the OP, Is England a country ?
Is N.Ireland a country, what about Wales?

None of these COUNTRIES feature in the UN BUT they are there under the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So are they not there or are they ?

I looked at the 1st link and only two criterias are missed, 7 and 8.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:59 pm

Australia must not be a country either since it's an island.

:mellow:

What...?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:59 am

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/states.htm

"Independent state/country" and "sovereign nation" are not the same thing as a country.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:05 pm

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/states.htm

First link states that Scotland is not an independent country (which is correct), but not that it is not a country.

Second like states that Scotland is not a sovereign state (which is correct), but not that it is not a country.

Moving right along.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:45 am

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm

All that says is that it's not an independent country. It's still a country. :rolleyes:

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:21 am

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/states.htm

Click on "Countries A-Z" then go to "S" and you shall find Scotland listed.

I'm pretty sure 5c3j9r7 has it confused with "sovereign state".

I've seen the UK being referred to as a sovereign state, yeh. To be honest it's all a bit confusing, not really sure there is a 100% correct answer to this thread really

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:35 am

:mellow:

What...?

It's surrounded by water on all sides, therefore it is an island.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:22 am

Your a [censored] idiot, face it your not the best when it come to geography and your failure to recognise Scotland as a country is proof.
Pick up an atlas, Scotland is there clearly shown with borders, population, flag and a capital.

I have some questions for the OP, Is England a country ?

Is N.Ireland a country, what about Wales?

None of these COUNTRIES feature in the UN BUT they are there under the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So are they not there or are they ?

No England isn't a country
No Northern Ireland isn't a country
No Wales isn't a country.

You just contradicted yourself by saying they are under the UK

Since when does having a flag and a population and being listed in the atlas make it a country. Is [censored] Alabama a country? No.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:17 am

This needs to be closed... The OP is just trollin, because enough evidence has been given show that Scotland IS a country.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:28 pm

I think the UK's Prime Minister's Office http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20080909013512/http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page823.

Spoiler

The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Its full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:56 am

OP I'm embarrassed for you. Unless you're trolling, in which case I just feel a bit sorry for you.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:45 am

No England isn't a country
No Northern Ireland isn't a country
No Wales isn't a country.

Because you say so? Back up your claims, and have better "evidence" than the articles you linked to before.

You just contradicted yourself by saying they are under the UK

How is that a contradiction?

Since when does having a flag and a population and being listed in the atlas make it a country. Is [censored] Alabama a country? No.

Actually, Alabama is a good example: it's a State, and behaves in many ways as a country would, only it falls under the hegemony of a larger organ, i.e., the United States of America. For many intents and purposes, States in the US are still considered countries.

I think the UK's Prime Minister's Office should know what its talking about.

Pft. What kind of worthless source is that. Obviously the man knows nothing of geography, and certainly not as much as 5c3j9r7productions. Prime Minister of the UK, what is that supposed to mean something?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:05 am

This needs to be closed... The OP is just trollin, because enough evidence has been given show that Scotland IS a country.

Hardly any credible evidence has been given. I'm not "Trollin"

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:24 am

Here you go, Scotland is a country.

http://www.infoplease.com/countries.html

OP is mentally handicapped at Geography.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:50 am

Thank Cliff for the ignore user feature... :facepalm:

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:39 am

As I keep saying, the problem here is that COUNTRY seems to be a word with different definitions depending on context. See most other posts in this thread for examples and reasons.

When it comes down to it, Scotland is called a country, by whatever definition. The UN definition is purely political.

Ergo, OP is neither right nor wrong, nor is his friend. Just go by what everyone calls it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:45 am

They have separate teams for the World Cup. Hence, they are countries. Yes, that is my reasoning.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:05 am

You just contradicted yourself by saying they are under the UK

The UK isnt a Country, it is a Sovereign State consisting of 4 individual countries.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:31 am

For [censored] sake.

No England isn't a country
No Northern Ireland isn't a country
No Wales isn't a country.

You just contradicted yourself by saying they are under the UK

Since when does having a flag and a population and being listed in the atlas make it a country. Is [censored] Alabama a country? No.

[censored] idiot

Did you read any links I posted ? No I doubt you did you stuck up [censored]. You are wrong.
If you asked each leader of these countries if they are countries your answer is YES they are, if you ask another foreign leader they will answer yes.
You give it all these fancy names "sovereign state" and independant country which I agree it is not, BUT it is still a country.
And if you knew anything about this place you would know that currently the SNP are trying to get indendance for Scotland and making it an independant country.
As it stands it IS A COUNTRY.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:13 am

Aye aye aye, calm down everyone. Yes the evidence that Scotland indeed is a country is overwhelming. But there is no need to get into angry flame fests and name callings. If someone decides to throw dirt be the bigger (wo)man and just shrug it off rather than picking up your own to throw back.