But it was the Empire not the Stormcloaks that requested Ulfric to take back the Reach in exchange for it becoming a place to freely worship Talos. Aside from that, the gods they worshipped needed sacrifices, which lead to the deaths of many innocent people, whereas the worship of Talos does not harm anybody. Also, they did not take the forsworn's homes so much as take the nords who lived in the Reach homes back from an invading force, as the nords had ruled their for a very long time.

i choose the empire. after all the games we have been with them i've come to respect them sure they may have wanted to cut off my head but it was a misunderstanding. another thing is that i don't think the empire is dumb enough to let the high elves walk all over them they are biding there time getting stronger to take out there high elven "allys" i use allys vary loosely.

-Spoilers-

they mention at the end of the imperial quest line if you ask rikka "now that ulfric is dead will there be peace?" she says there are still small storm cloak camps that need exterminating but once that's done there may be a small amount of peace but she suspects all of Tamriel will be called to arms in the not to distant future. this indicates that there will be another great war between the empire and the high elves

another thing if you joined the storm cloaks when you entered sovernguard you see rikka there but not Tulius this indicates that he has a greater role to play later on otherwise he would be there as well ( note this only occurs if you do the political alignment quest lines before the story quest line.

/spoilers

So any one who says that The empire has no intention of rising against the high elves that took there freedom of religion please sight valid evidence to support your claim.

This! If the races of men are to have any hope they'll need to stand together.

The Empire gets my support over the Stormcloaks, but only by a hair. If I could bring the captain that tried to execute me to justice it would have more support but you can’t do that fighting for the Empire. If the Stormcloaks had better leadership I could see myself joining them, but as it stands I just see Ulfric as a lying power-hungry jerk in desperate need of being fusrodah’ed from the top of a mountain.

Personaly I love the shade of gray you get in the beginning when it comes to choosing a side and hate the fact that it turns more into black and white towards the end of the game. They really should have made Ulfric a better person to maintain that shade of gray.

That has got to be the most satisfying experience of the game, but you cant do that as an empire soldier can you?

Seeing as the imperial mother [censored]ers tried to cut my head off, I see it as my moral duty and obligation to have my revenge and KILL all the imperials. Sadly I cant have my revenge seeing as some NPCs are impossible to kill, but non the less at least I've managed to restore some balance to the universe by killing most of the imperial scum. In ES:Oblivion I saved the imperials from the planes of oblivion, but now I will damn sure send back to a life in hell.

Sure you can, just follow Ralof at first, then join the Legion after leaving Helgen instead of the Stormcloaks.

OT: Legion for me.

As far as I remember, it was actually Jarl Igmund who asked Ulfric Stromcloak and his mercenaries to recapture Markarth. In exchange he allowed him to worship Talos and establish a shrine to him, but "unfortunately" the Thalmor discovered this.

Small problem, if the Stormcloaks got their wish the Dunmer would have no empire to run to. And about the dragonborn king... what about the player character? I think he/she has earned the throne by saving the world, so why wouldn't the empire accept him/her as their leader if they sided with them?

I don't like ether of them.

Of the two I like the Imperials better.
I think the Legions campaign would have a more positive effect on Skyrim despite the little mishap in Helgan.

Yes it was Jarl Igmund, but he is an imperial supporter. I was trying to say that it was not the Stormcloak's desicion to attack the Forsworn and drive them out. Rather they were just doing someone else's bidding to achieve their own religious freedom.

The empire hasnt been a united nation in some time. Why? Because of their attitude toward the provinces. You dont get allies by beating them over the head and selling them out.

As a Nord, I side with the Stormcloaks.

As anyone else, I side with the Legion.

Another one, eh. Okay, I'll bite.

Empire. The Stormcloaks are disruptive rebellion rallying around a power hungry megalomaniac. Don't get svcked into a cult of personality centered on a charismatic leader promising hope and change for a better future. It'll bite ya in rear every time.

That was before the rebellion so technically everyone was an imperial supporter in Skyrim. Besides everyone worshiped Talos they just didn’t make a big deal out of it and no one made them stop. Then some jerk comes along and makes a big deal out of it and starts a civil war… Honestly there is nothing good about Ulfric and believe me I really wanted there to be something good about him because I loved the gray element to the gameplay. He is just a power-hungry hypocrite and Skyrim will go nowhere fast with him as its King.

Hmm now that I think about it Ulfric had great voice acting lol but that’s about it. The more you learn about a guy the more you want to challenge him the way he challenged the king and kill him sloooooowly.

Quite quickly I realized I would side with the stormcloaks. FYI I have not done the quest yet. But IMO the deal the empire made with the Adlmeri dominion was an epic fail. IMO the Empire with skyrim should have gotten together and slaughtered the aldmeri dominion and anyone who believes what they believe. The Thalmor kill anyone who disagrees with them, the the empire (now consisting of everyone but the aldmeri dominion) should kill the thalmor.

The Stromcloaks weren′t formed at that time yet and it doesn′t really matter which side Igmund is, so I don′t quite see how it relies to the topic.

Well... It's really like 4-5 Nations.

Dominion - Valenwood, Elswyr, and Altmer's Island.
Empire - High Rock, Cyrodiil, and Skyrim.
Redguards - Hammerfall (They are by themselves.)
Argonians - Black Marsh and Morrowind.

The 5th one will become Skyrim if the Stormcloaks wins.

Even before Ulfric started the rebellion there were plenty of people that didnt like imperial rule. If that wasnt true then Ulfric wouldnt have been able to start a rebellion would he? People did not just join his cause because he told them to. They joined because they were angry with how they were being treated. And outside skyrim there used to be 7 other provinces loyal to the empire at one time and they lost 6 of them. Its not just Ulfric that has a problem with the empire's attitude. Not by a long shot.

Fixed.

Fixed.

I support the Stormcloaks. The "Empire" is nothing more than the Thalmor's [censored] now. The Thalmor cracks it's whip and gives an order, and the Empire goes "Yes sir! Right away, sir!". General Tullius is a prime example of this. The Mede Empire in 4E is not worth being loyal to, unlike the Septim Empire of the 3E. The Mede Empire treats it's provinces like expendable pawns, and throws them away like fodder. Which is why it's lost so many provinces already. Since the founding of the Allessian Empire, the Nords have been the strong arm of the Empires. They've served the Empires loyally for millenia, and the current Empire spits in their face for it.

He's not a hero, he's a damn fop. Titus Mede II is a far cry from the Colovian Warlord who became Emperor, Titus Mede I or even the fop who became a true hero, Attrebus Mede. Titus Mede II is just some weak-willed idiot who inherited the throne. The only reason the Empire was able to even fight back the Thalmor during the Great War was because of the tactics of his Generals, not him.

After figuring out what Ulfric did to the Forsworn, his entire cause became extremely hypocritical. Skyrim needs the Empire, whether they like it or not.

The Empire all the way, I see almost nothing worthwhile from the stormcloaks