I'm anxious to see on the news about that oil separator. (the actor Kevin Costner invested millions into and bought the rights for) I think it will an effective tool in the clean-up for the oil still drifting in the Gulf.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/bp-to-test-kevin-costners-oil-separation-technology-on-gulf-of-mexico-spill/19484937

I'm not sure what pisses me off more, the fact that this hasn't been stopped yet, or the fact that BP will more or less get away with ruining the environment and people's livelihoods on the Gulf Coast.

So what do you propose should happen to BP?

I honestly have no opinion on this matter. I have no knowledge how long it should take to stop this et cetera et cetera. Better not spout any stupid ideas!

David Attenborough (prob wrong spelling) " and so the oil kills off the fish..."
Or the big brother narrator "The oil is still coming out of the pipe."

Sending in minor celebrities to fix the pipes, living is the reward.

Bp, Transocean and Haliburton should have to pay through the nose for their mistake and cost cutting on vital equipment and safety. These are worldwide companies that have been raking in record profits for years and all they can do is point fingers at each other instead of working on the problem. They make so much in profit that it is like they are printing money and then they cut all of the corners they can and then say "sorry it is an accident". I hope they don't get away without paying for it and finishing the cleanup job like EXXON did in Alaska.

I wonder if they are going to take 20 years like Exxon

The records also indicate that since the April 20 explosion on the rig, federal regulators have granted at least 19 environmental waivers for gulf drilling projects and at least 17 drilling permits, most of which were for types of work like that on the Deepwater Horizon shortly before it exploded, pouring a ceaseless current of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

Nobody learns their lessons anymore in this day and age. I'm surprised that they haven't figured out how to put a massive wall around the entire Gulf of Mexico to drain out the water to make it easier to drill. The best thing for this planet now is for everyone to move to another one.

"8:35 am, and the oil is in the diary room"
"blub blub blub"

I have waited a bit before intervening in this discussion. I have to reserve from posting some infos which could be damageable to my company (which btw is NOT involved in the accident but in the think tank)

1/ However, we need to put a certain proportion on this oil spill:
The Amoco Cadiz (few km from the coast of Brittany - France) : 220 000 tons
The Torey Canyon (few km from the coast of Cornwall and Brittany): 120 000 tons
The Gulf War oil spill : 1.5 millions tons
Deepwater Horizon (more than 75 km from the coast): so far, between 25000 and 35000 tons...

I do not want to minimize the impact of the biosphere but one has to look at the real numbers. Not CNN... This oil spill is so far big but far from major oil spills.


2/ Also, people should refrain to post or comment on subject when they don't have technical clues.

The reason it's still going is because of all the natural gas that pent up underground along with the oil. When a leak is struck, it spill outs uncontrollably until the pressure goes down. That's how they pumped oil a long time ago. They'd have to wait for the geyser to stop so they could put the pumps in place. That could take days if the deposit was big enough.

Seeing as how it's underwater (and therefore at a higher pressure) it's going to take a while.

This is not correct. The reason while a well is erupting is not only due to gas but to many reason (mainly linked to under-compaction of sediments, I cannot enter in the detail but this is much more complex than 'gas pushing the oil'. If you wait for a well to deplete (the pressure to go down), you might have to wait for 10's of years... Oil is still extracted (not pumped) thanks to eruptive wells. We installed pumps when the well stops to be eruptive precisely.

3/ It has been said that the blowout preventers (BOP) were not working. It is not sure, not confirmed 100%. I worked long enough in offshore to say that I am EXTREMELY surprised of this statement. Now, that the blowout came so fast that they could not action the BOP is possible.
I saw a blowout in Angola in 1989. Thanks God, it did not catch fire. I do not wish to see another one. We were tripping out of hole, and we succeeded to close the valve and circulate. In less than 2 min, we got more than 40 m3 of mud of gain. It lasted for 20 min before we killed him.

4/ Finally, these kind of accidents are the responsability of the oil companies and their service providers, yes, I partially agree. HOWEVER, we are not alone.
YOU, ALL OF YOU, ME INCLUDED, we are demanding more and more energy. For example, this post took me 12 min. It is equivalent in energy demands from my computer, from the internet networks etc... to 1 h of a 100 W bulb.

Meanwhile, just food for thought, I want you to compare the prices:

- 1 l of spring water : 0.5 $ - average depth : 100 m - average distance : 200 km - requires few bacteriological and chemical treatment
- 1 l of crude oil : 0.44 $ - average depth : 2500 m - average distance : 3000 km - requires heavy mechanical and chemical treatment

You really want cheap energy ?

I'm surprised why they just don't stick the camera in the hole. It will at least stop some of the oil... I mean, if they are able to go to this depth and have a camera taping the whole thing; shove a big pipe down the hole and continue racking that oil in. I think that that's a whole lot more effective than stuffing it with garbage...

Spring Water's not killing everything in the ocean it touches, destroying the economy of the fishing community, and ruining tourism.

I totally agree with you. This is why people should be ready to pay the crude oil at a much higher price. 71.92$/bbls > 45 cents / l

Sticking a camera in the hole won't be very useful. The flow of fluid coming from the blowout is very murky, you will not see much. In addition, in this situation, we are looking for data more important that visual. We are looking for flow, temperature, pressure, composition of the fluid etc...

The first time I tried to view the feed my browser crashed. But this time I am able to watch it.

WOW!!! That is amazing.

To the one who said, "We are looking for information and data from the live feed."

What difference does it make? I mean really? The problem is, you have an open pipe spewing thousands upon thousands of gallons of crude into the ocean (according to BP's numbers, if you believe that) what are you possibly looking for? For it to stop? Slow down? What?

The American people don't want data. We don't want some BP clown sitting at a desk watching a live feed. We want results and solutions. The BP Execs and the US Government can say whatever they want. They can tell us its only dumping 1 gallon a month or 250k gallons a day and the people still wouldn't give a (censored) because you have hundreds of thousands of people who will soon be out of work, their tourist season will be destroyed as well as the marshes and wetlands and beaches. They don't care about numbers. Sugar coat it all you want to make yourselves feel better. Put a cap on it, shut-it off, svck it up with a fish tank cleaner. We don't care. Fix the damn problem and stop telling us, "Oh, its only such and such a number compared to this incident...or this many gallons compared to this incident." Do you care that I peed 4 times today and that I drove nearly 3 hours to work today a total of 96 miles one way? Nope. So, I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say this. I don't care how many "estimated" gallons it is. I just want it fixed. Stop sitting there mulling it over and telling us it'll just be another week before we can try this, or oh, we can't use this method because the device took on some water. Just put something in place and fix the leak.

I still haven't been able to watch the damn thing - it just says 'waiting for video' on a black screen - it's so annoying! :brokencomputer:

It may have something to do with the massive increased amount of people viewing the live feed... and clogging up the pipe. (sorry, couldn't resist the pun)

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EPIC ^

Is the oil still leaking? :blink:

A monatge of characters concerned with the Spill...

:frog: <---- News Reporters
:swear: <---- Gulf Coast Residents
:nono: <---- Enviromentalists
<---- The Whales
:ahhh: <---- U.S. Government
<---- The Dolphins
<---- The Brown Pelicans
:toughninja: <---- Governor Bobby Jindal
:deal: <---- Haliburton
British Petroleum ----> :bolt:

Haha Mario!

lol

Check to make sure you have the correct software installed for viewing the video and that it is fully updated.

You also may have a firewall which is blocking the streaming.

Anyone know what the claw is doing right now?

Hmm, I've gone through the options on Firefox + adblock plus and can't find any reason why it shouldn't work :glare:

Besides blocking the view? I have no idea.


It would be pretty cool if we'd be able to watch them fix the leak but I don't think they're that far yet.