Lost Season 6 Discussion : Othor Games

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:06 am

Jacob never lies. Its a well known fact that men in white clothes are the good guys, and therefore do not lie.

You can't really take anything on Lost at face value. White clothes doesn't necessarily mean he's good.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:29 am

I personally still want to know who/why Christian *jacks father* was seen on the island, how he talked to Locke before he left the island in season like..4 or 5, can't remember, why he's there, etc.
They haven't touched on that at ALL yet.

Probably the same way MIB is using Locke's body. Jack's farther's body was on the flight to L.A from australia, it's the reason he was in Sydney in the firstp place. MIB doesnt seem to have a body of his own (unless you count the smoke) so he borrow's the image of those who have died.

You can't really take anything on Lost at face value. White clothes doesn't necessarily mean he's good.

Yeah I wasnt being serious about that.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:37 am

Probably the same way MIB is using Locke's body. Jack's farther's body was on the flight to L.A from australia, it's the reason he was in Sydney in the firstp place. MIB doesnt seem to have a body of his own (unless you count the smoke) so he borrow's the image of those who have died.

Don't forget Christian appeared to Jack off the Island, so it can't be the smoke monster, can it?

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:17 am

I hear a lot of people say that hate Kate. Why do so many people think that? I don't necessarily like her character, but I don't really have a problem with her. Jack, on the other hand, I think is one annoying SOB.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:20 pm

I hear a lot of people say that hate Kate. Why do so many people think that? I don't necessarily like her character, but I don't really have a problem with her. Jack, on the other hand, I think is one annoying SOB.

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For me it seems like she always looks down on the other characters. The way she bounces from Sawyer to Jack. The way she thinks she's some hardcoe asskicker and it's just generally the way she acts. All of this combined makes her unlikable in my eyes.

As a matter of fact the only thing I like about her is that she did realize how much she owed Claire and decided to go back on that.

I wish they had kept Juliet on instead of Kate but I guess it was unavoidable =/

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:53 am

You can't really take anything on Lost at face value. White clothes doesn't necessarily mean he's good.

LOST is famous for turning things on their head. I wouldn't be surprised if Jacob turned out to be the real villain. Everything points towards the MiB being 'evil'. I think the MiB is bad, but I've been wrong many times before. LOST will probably pull a real big surprise in the end and show us Jacob is the bad one.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:25 am

Don't forget Christian appeared to Jack off the Island, so it can't be the smoke monster, can it?

Jack was on the booze and crazy pills by that point

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 am

I just hope the important questions are answered.

EDIT: changed it too avoid conflicts on opinions.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:03 pm

I really liked the most recent episode.

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The woman who is guarding all of the candidates said that the black smoke can take the form of other people, but since he's in Locke he can't change shape anymore- Any thoughts as to why?

I would say that it was the man in black who appeared to all those people as images or dead people, but when Richard's wife appears it seems that she was somehow separate from the smoke/MIB.

But when Ben went down to that room (was it under the temple), and the black smoke appeared, it showed him images of his past, then his daughter showed up and was like, "follow Locke". The black smoke could have been the Man in Black, but he took the form of Ben's daughter- but he shouldn't have been able to do that if he could only be Locke.... unless he was only trapped in Locke's form after Jacob died.

Also, I recall that Ben had a way of summoning the Black Smoke.... Anyone remember the mechanism he used to do that?

Things do seem to be pretty straight forward, but then there are all these details.... I can't tell if they are just sloppy last minute rewrites, or if they are part of a masterfully interwoven story designed to throw you off at the end

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:25 am

I really liked the most recent episode.

Spoiler

The woman who is guarding all of the candidates said that the black smoke can take the form of other people, but since he's in Locke he can't change shape anymore- Any thoughts as to why?

I would say that it was the man in black who appeared to all those people as images or dead people, but when Richard's wife appears it seems that she was somehow separate from the smoke/MIB.

But when Ben went down to that room (was it under the temple), and the black smoke appeared, it showed him images of his past, then his daughter showed up and was like, "follow Locke". The black smoke could have been the Man in Black, but he took the form of Ben's daughter- but he shouldn't have been able to do that if he could only be Locke.... unless he was only trapped in Locke's form after Jacob died.

Also, I recall that Ben had a way of summoning the Black Smoke.... Anyone remember the mechanism he used to do that?

Things do seem to be pretty straight forward, but then there are all these details.... I can't tell if they are just sloppy last minute rewrites, or if they are part of a masterfully interwoven story designed to throw you off at the end

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The only person who could see Richard's wife was Hurley, as he can see dead people.

Ben went down under his house and did something with the water to summon Smokey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX6_j2otns

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:42 pm

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The only person who could see Richard's wife was Hurley, as he can see dead people.

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I was talking about in Richard's flashback, where she shows up and is like, "we're in hell, oh, here he comes, you know who", then she runs away but gets eaten. MIB says that Jacob has her, and I would say that she was the smoke monster in disguise, but then the smoke monster showed up separately- or maybe she just turned into the smoke monster, we can't be sure 'cause Richard was in chains and we didn't see the view.

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Ben went down under his house and did something with the water to summon Smokey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX6_j2otns

Thanks for that link.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:42 am

Don't forget Christian appeared to Jack off the Island, so it can't be the smoke monster, can it?

Christian seems to be on Jacob's side somehow. I seem to remember seeing him in that cabin that Jacob was said to inhabit a few seasons back.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:54 am

Jack was on the booze and crazy pills by that point

I think there were some details in there he can't know. Like white shoes.

I really liked the most recent episode.

Spoiler

The woman who is guarding all of the candidates said that the black smoke can take the form of other people, but since he's in Locke he can't change shape anymore- Any thoughts as to why?

I would say that it was the man in black who appeared to all those people as images or dead people, but when Richard's wife appears it seems that she was somehow separate from the smoke/MIB.

But when Ben went down to that room (was it under the temple), and the black smoke appeared, it showed him images of his past, then his daughter showed up and was like, "follow Locke". The black smoke could have been the Man in Black, but he took the form of Ben's daughter- but he shouldn't have been able to do that if he could only be Locke.... unless he was only trapped in Locke's form after Jacob died.

Also, I recall that Ben had a way of summoning the Black Smoke.... Anyone remember the mechanism he used to do that?

Things do seem to be pretty straight forward, but then there are all these details.... I can't tell if they are just sloppy last minute rewrites, or if they are part of a masterfully interwoven story designed to throw you off at the end

Spoiler

The only person who could see Richard's wife was Hurley, as he can see dead people.

Ben went down under his house and did something with the water to summon Smokey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX6_j2otns

In the same episode a dead woman appears, totally convincing, with whole memory, image, feel. And viewers think she is black smoke in first and then a real ghost in second. I mean isn't that obvious it is the same thing? What's the difference?

At this point I only buy something like Black Smoke can disguise every dead person but Jacob. But even that doesn't work for me.

Christian seems to be on Jacob's side somehow. I seem to remember seeing him in that cabin that Jacob was said to inhabit a few seasons back.

I believe that was MIB too, and Christian was her "friend." like MIB Locke. But the real question in my mind is what if there is a third person. The "help me!" guy in the cabin.

I'm most certain that Jacob or MIB(or both)is actually someone in the show. But thousands of years later after lot's of time traveling(so before). But can't figure who is who.(actually I think MIB is Locke himself(or Kate!). His mother was crazy, playing games on people(Boone incident). Jacob could be Hurley or Jin. But not sure on that. Jacob could be a women too, why not Kate.(I love Kate

). Final, Jacob is... Ben.)

MIB can impersonate anyone but his original character is a [censored].

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My fear is at the end Jacob will win and resurrect everyone. So we won't blame him for all the deaths he caused.(Yeah, I blame him for everything.)

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:47 am

I just hope all the questions are answered.

I hope not. Explaining everything would be uber-lame

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:08 am

I hope not. Explaining everything would be uber-lame

Agreed. A good part of Lost's appeal is it's mystery and that "WTF is going on here!?" feeling it gives you. :hehe:

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:28 am

I hope not. Explaining everything would be uber-lame

Agreed. A good part of Lost's appeal is it's mystery and that "WTF is going on here!?" feeling it gives you. :hehe:

Thats my opinion, but thanks for yours.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:35 am

Agreed. A good part of Lost's appeal is it's mystery and that "WTF is going on here!?" feeling it gives you. :hehe:

:blink: How could you people say that? I certainly agree 100% on Lost being appealing due to mystery, but you can't possibly mean to tell me that you want it to end without an explanation? It would be reminiscent of all the good TV shows that get canceled and leave on a cliffhanger, except Lost would be doing that voluntarily.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:17 am

I hope not. Explaining everything would be uber-lame

Agreed. I think if they leave some stuff unexplained, that adds to the mystery. And nothing says a good show than viewers STILL thinking about the show..after the series finale. That means you did your job as a writer.

On the topic of Christian appearing to Jack off the island, I really don't think it was just because he was boozed up. I mean, yeah he was, but I think it was actually something more devious. Especially in Lost, you can't just look at things black and white.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:23 pm

Especially in Lost, you can't just look at things black and white.

Unfortunate choice of words there

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:02 am

Jack was on the booze and crazy pills by that point

And Christian was speaking for Jacob that one time when Claire was there in the cabin. Why would the smoke monster speak for Jacob when he wants to kill him?

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:44 am

Unfortunate choice of words there

:rofl:
Touche, good sir. Touche.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:35 am

On the topic of Christian appearing to Jack off the island

Pardon? :blink:

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:46 am

Pardon? :blink:

In one of Jack's episodes last season, he was in the hospital where he was fixing the smoke detector and Christian is sitting in one of the waiting room chairs.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:45 pm

:blink: How could you people say that? I certainly agree 100% on Lost being appealing due to mystery, but you can't possibly mean to tell me that you want it to end without an explanation? It would be reminiscent of all the good TV shows that get canceled and leave on a cliffhanger, except Lost would be doing that voluntarily.

Of course it needs to be some explanation of what's going on, but to answer almost everything would just be, for lack of a better word, completely lame.

I want to be able to discuss the mysteries of Lost for a long time and be able to revisit those old questions. I don't want to feel like the series has been left incomplete either.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:21 pm

In one of Jack's episodes last season, he was in the hospital where he was fixing the smoke detector and Christian is sitting in one of the waiting room chairs.

So you mean he appeared to Jack, off the island?

There's quite a difference