a flaw in your logic. magic cannot stop all shouts. OD-AH-VIING!
also, wards block magic, correct? lightning is not magic. Shock spells use magicka to cause shock damage. lighting, however, is a bolt of true electricity, not magic. and, even of a ward can block it, it would overpower a ward anyway, because lightning has huge amounts of energy, a lot more than a spell. therefore, storm call works

Nope, reflect damage is limited to physical damage. And you can't reflect Storm Call with reflect spell either. Why? Because is "has no caster" and the lightnign comes from the skies. An example of this is how reflect spell didn't work against the Dark Welkynd Stones in Oblivion.

And if I were a Tongue I would say "Feim" everytime I saw tha mage cast a spell. Rendering it without effect.

No matter how you look at it the Tongue will always have something to counter with and the other way around.

awww shiii

Looks like we have a winner...

How is lightning not physical? When lightning strikes It exerts physical pressure on whatever it touches. Causing damage. The spell reflects said damage away. If not then the Mage casts Ebony flesh or some [censored] to lower damage, then proceeds to heal him/herself afterwards. Or the mage can just cast shield, or resist lightning(yes, this applies to natural lightning).



Casts fear on the stupid dragon. The Dragon is now running flying away. Yeah.. Magic can stop anything.

A mage also has to use his hands to cast spells. The old coot just sits there talking to himself while the world goes crazy.

What?

Reflect damage is limited to non-magical effects and, even though someine said it wasn't, the lightning called down is magical in nature. Reflect damage have also been dependant in the past about a physical contact, rendering it useless against bows for instance. Reflect damage will not work against Storm Call unless you give it attributes it doesn't have.

Also: I think the Dragons are immune to illusion spells so that won't work either.

Fine. Ebony Flesh, Shield, Resist Lightning. Take your pick. The Mage still isnt dead.


Dude.. If freakin Daedra, and Robots aren't immune to illusion(Master of Mind) I doubt a Dragon is. And even if that doesn't work the Mage either destroys the dragon with is Overpowered spells, or casts Frenzy on the shouter, and lets him do the job.

All you guys are giving me is Stormcall, and Become Etherial. While the Shouter is getting beated to death by conjured Daedra, burned, shocked, and frozen by destruction spells, frenzied, and calmed by illision, and paralyzed by Alteration.

The shouter is getting the crap kicked out of him by four schools of magic. While the Mage can come out unscathed(restoration/protection spells).

Alduin uses a shout that makes fire rain from the sky. What shout is that?

And Odahviing wouldn't stand a chance against Shalidor. So the dragon is out of the question.

Storm Call would be just about useless against a lone mage and here's why. The damage isn't fast enough its great against a whole group but not against strong singular targets. The mage has more then enough time to heal or kill you between bolts. And its an absolute FACT that Wards work against it, wards work on EVERYTHING. I have personally seen an enemy mage with a ward up shrug off stormcall so stop claiming it wouldn't work.

The only reason Master of the Voice can win is because you guys rewrite the mechanics so his power is limitless. They could have made shouts cost magicka (which it does for actual dragons hit them with a bit of lightning and their shouting stops producing fire/ice) But if they did it that way it wouldn't be fair as everyone woud need to invest in magicka. So instead they went for a cool down.

He takes so long to show up you'll be dead before he arrives.

Dragons are immune to illusion, but are easily killable with a little lighting which strips them of the ability to shout.

Ebony flesh and shield is also physical and not magical*. Resist lightning and Wards are the only effects to counter Storm Call in the open fields.

As for the Dragons: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Illusion#Notes should be of interest.

As for the mage not being dead, you are correct and I tried to mentioned that earlier. Both can counter just about everything the other can do, but at the end of the day Tongues kill people by simply speaking, doesn't even need to shout.

it's Meteor Storm, which is inaccessible to players, unless you use console commands. if you have a PC, type 'psb' into the command console. this will give you all shouts, spells etc, including dev spells and the hidden shouts (like the one you mentioned, Meteor Storm).

Thank you.


Fair enough.

No need to get hostile, I've always explained my answers to the best of my ability, so please don't treat me like that.

Anyways, as i've already explained, if the voice could be defeated by such basic spells, then under what pretext could it have possibly been so effective in Talo's Empire building. If your understand of the relationship between the voice and magic is correct, then an apprentice mage should have easily naturalized Talos and his voice. The very same mage would have also proven to be a Dragon's equal. Why did Humans need to be gifted with the voice when said magics had already been around? If basic magic spells could defeat shouts, then why would Humans need the shout to defeat the Dragons whose only real weapon had been the shout?

The shout is called Meteor Storm, but unfortunately its not learnable by Dragonborn.

Sorry.


I doubt Talos started the empire, and conquered all those places all by himself. He kind of had an army of followers to help him out.

Why do people ignore this? It is confirmed in Skyrim that Masters of the Voice can kill people not trained in the Thu'um with a single word and in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Children_of_the_Skyit is said that the Tongues had to wear gags for this reason.

You are right, he had help from the semi-dead spirit of Wulfheart who commanded the voice. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Shouts#Dragon_Shouts_not_available_to_player

It's Meteor Storm.

Summon Fog.

Marked for Death

Summon Fog, Stormcall and Meteor Storm. I wonder what else would be possible...

That confirms part of the heresy, not the whole thing.

wait, what?

if a character who isn't bound by the laws of game realism gets hit with a lightning bolt from the skies, I'm pretty sure he'd be looking more than a little worse for wear, if he isn't already completely incinerated/dead.

Magic can kill everyone whats your point? It says it "can" kill not its always fatal or that 'only' someone trained in the Thu'um can survive. We ignore it because your falsly claiming that its instantly fatal to everyone. Unrelenting Force is instantly fatal to weaker foes even if they just slide across the ground. But a stronger enemy requires be hurled off a cliff.

Magic Resistance, Shock Resistance, Wards or I kill you with my own lightning before the bolts actually starts coming down and use a ward as cover until I reach safety. And as your claiming that we keep the unrealistic offense but strip away the unrealistic durability it wouldn't be difficult to quickly kill you with my spells.

If they aren't bound by the games realisim then they can't shout or use magic.

You are correct, it doesn't confirm all of it, but it gives it credibility. It also ties in with the Greybeards story about Jurgen Windcaller changing the way the Thu'um was used(the defeat at Red Mountain). I find it more believable than the "official" story.

it's literally like claiming Archmage Traven could have stood his own against one of the Greybeards. which is to say: it's complete nonsense.