For a Silly reason. Plus, I believe they were somewhat tricked, believing they were doing to Accend into God-Hood, but as we all know, that didn't happen.

Vampire Lords look teribble, and I hate that all "normal" vampires (Before Dawnguard) have same Mage robe as every Mage, even as Novice Fire/Ice MageBlack robes -.-)

Well, they aren't supposed to be pretty.

Hmm, okay
They look weak,and their wings couldnt be smaller and uselessly, it looks like someone made them in a hurry,they didnt finish the "job"

Exactly

Personally, I'm going with vampire, because the idea appeals to me.

Regardless I simply cannot pass up a jab at a philosophical debate. In terms of morality, vampires are in no way absent from it. They are sapient, after all. They simply possess the normal human complications associated with acting morally, with the added disadvantage of being forced to consume the blood of other life-forms for their sustenance.

When it comes to vampirism, I imagine not many will have had a say in the matter. From this point, I think they have a right to whatever strange variation of life they possess. Their morality is simply complicated by the fact their food cannot be obtained very easily, and more often than not involves compromising the liberty of another sapient being. It could be donated, but people are not very enlightened in Skyrim, as the short-sighted Stormcloak rebellion illustrates.

That is not to say vampires are not capable of evil, just look to the lairs of them, which are often strewn with human debris, more than one would imagine is necessary for them to survive. But I propose they turn this way from ostracization, and the madness one associates with prolonged isolation. The ones found within organizations, such as the Count of Skingrad in Oblivion and Sybille Stendor in the Solitude court, are both reasoned, respectful, and find outlets for their unfortunate disposition. They are proof that vampires are not compelled innately to gratuitous violence.

It almost reminds me of the gray morality pertaining to the dragons. Many would curse the Blades for damning Paarthurnax, but I see the same people spit on the name of all vampires. It's more or less the same dilemma, when you factor into account that dragons have an intrinsic will to power, one I would imagine greater than the vampiric need to force itself on others (consider only one dragon has broken free of its nature, and that many vampires have done so), and this would make a certain hypocrisy of thought apparent. So consider when you hiss at the mention of the blood drinking undead, that your prejudice may be part of the problem, and not the solution you initially assumed. Consider Paarthurnax's words; is it better to be inherently good, or to be inherently evil and overcome one's nature? I'm not saying they're all going to be saints, and it does take a certain willpower to operate morally as one, but generalization regarding them seems to be causing the main problem with them in the TES world.

Not to say they shouldn't be cured. I don't see why any reasoned vampire would wish to remain as such. They are, after all, the result of the perversions of a Daedric Prince. It must be horrible, between the nightmares, the fear of the sun, and the need to feed on fellow sapient beings. And all the damned prejudice surely cannot help. I'd go mad and butcher adventurers too if I were in their position.

I don't know about these vampires in Dawnguard, however. I don't know everything about their situation, so it's difficult to judge. At any rate, if they are not saintly, you can't blame them, because your average human isn't either.

I hope the new Dawnguard equipment will come with the need of a different type of ingot or at least something very difficult to come by to improve it - I dont immediatly wanna get the coolest armor and weapons ever and then max it out within 5 minutes worth of playtime; if it could be improved with things like ebony or malachite it would just dampen the novelty factor imo.

I don't like the look of vampire lords and i have no doubt that both male and female characters will transform into the same ugly vampire lord. So i will be with the dawnguard

One of the reasons that turns me off to being a Vampire Lord(Other than them being blood svcking abominitions) is that I play Argonian, and it would really annoy me that my Argonian Lizard/Tree person is turning into some weird Human/Elf morph.

Is it confirmed that vampires can use crossbows? I really want to do an Underworld Selene character and a crossbow would be a perfect replacement for her gun

You can find a crossbow no matter which side you are on, i think

Yes i can see it now ................TES 7.5====> Underworld.............................

Who will win.......................

I know you were looking for a philosophical debate but I just want to agree with what you said.




I really would like to play as a vampire but for the characters I tend to play it wouldn't really fit. I always have Cure Disease potions on hand.

Woah. sorry to offend you... and youre right thats exactly why i hate vampires. thank you for opening my eyes

I cant understand this? a new weapon (basically a bow) over a whole new form with powers?

Sorry, but being a vampire hunter is very boring to me...so I'm sticking to being a vampire

Well I want NOT to be treated as food! Or my family and friends in skyrim.
I don't think the vampires care about how WE want to be treated.

Yes they need to do it to survive but, a righteous person will not put his life over others in such a way. Self defense sure is all good, but killing 100s of people just so you can live forever is selfish and yes quite "evil"

Also darkening the sun might cause it to be colder possibly creating another ice age. We don't know what type of affects it will cause also that's a selfish cause. They want to live forever so they cause others pain and death in the process, it's all selfish.

I like playing greedy and power hungry characters. Being a vampire means living forever which is a very tempting offer...

We're not treated as food. We're treated as a source of life for them. They have no other way of surviving.
If we let them drink our blood, there would be no need for them to go on a rampage for blood. Not only that, but they wouldn't need any abilities to forcibly take our blood.
Our blood can be regained aslong as it's not drained below 2 litres. We have a near unlimited amount of blood for them, why not just give it to them on our own accourd?
If we did, perhaps they'de have powers that take blood from us nicely, such as an Anaesthetic type spell that numbs the body, instead of them ripping us apart or chewing through our necks?

Think about it.

yup, blood svcking FTW

I get your point, but I think it's ridicoules!

Let them feed on us? That's insane! No person on this earth will agree to be a source of food for anybody, especially of its our blood. Yes it might be infinite and a lot of people do donate their blood to save lives. But to be treated as cattle or "water" source for vampires is just to insane.

How will it work anyway? They will demand quotas of how many human "volunteers" they need and we must obey?

In real life will you agree to it?

Guess you don't know about those people who think they are really vampires in real life. They have doners who give them blood, so they can drink it.

Omg duude i wanna sparkle like that guy Twilight, he's a pretty cool guy.

I wonder if your char will actually agree to be a vamp. I do not know the story obviously but ever since I heard about the Soul Cairn I cannot help but be reminded of the Perfect/Crystal Masters who simply turned mortals into undead in order to "save them". You might not be so willing after all or get into it by accident and simply figure why the heck not?

I am going for both sides anyway with different chars but will start with vamps as they have more appeal to me personally. I am a huge vampire mythology fan and I love the TES take on them.

Sorry double post