NonNord Dovakhiin

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:37 pm

You are right about the Dragon Fires but who says that all of the Dragon born in the past have been from the man races or that they were restricted to Skyrim? I have no doubt that in truth there have been Dovakiin of various races all around the world to do whatever the Gods called them for.

Plus from what the Greybeards say, for all they know there could very well be another Dragonborn or two in Tamriel/Skyrim, but they have not been revealed to them yet.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:40 pm

I think a nordic dovahkiin is just as valid as anyone not-Nord. I would try a dunmer, since they've been military rivals/enemies for centuries. It'd be funny, on a poetic note. Kind of like what someone above said about a nondarkelf Nerevarine.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:21 pm

I think a nordic dovahkiin is just as valid as anyone not-Nord. I would try a dunmer, since they've been military rivals/enemies for centuries. It'd be funny, on a poetic note. Kind of like what someone above said about a nondarkelf Nerevarine.


And you can roleplay that in many ways as well. You could be a Dunmer who finds it ironic and a reason to laugh at Nords about. Or you could be like Athis, that Dunmer in the Companions, who's kind of a wannabe Nord.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:01 pm

You are right about the Dragon Fires but who says that all of the Dragon born in the past have been from the man races or that they were restricted to Skyrim? I have no doubt that in truth there have been Dovakiin of various races all around the world to do whatever the Gods called them for.

True, I always just assumed that every ancient Dragonborns were Man but I admit I may be wrong. I don't know all the Lore in TES so I'm sure it's definitely possible for a Dovakin to be any race, as unusual as it may be. :wink:

Damn game is making me prejudice towards every non-man race!! haha!.. just play'n
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:59 pm

What the hell does being Dragon born, have anything to do with being a Nord? Last time I checked, Alduin is going to wipe out all life on the planet. So the race that stops him is unimportant.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:20 am

I to thought this, then i thought of how cool it is to have a non nord being a Dragonborn. just think, every one is looking for a nord, then you, a non nord is Dragonborn!
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:30 am

I agree with you for the most part but you forgot to mention that all the ancient lore behind the Dragon borns in TES, including the first to light the dragon fires, have been men. Even from the in game world perspective any non man dragon born would still be unusual.

Alessia, Saint Alessia, Alessia the Slave Queen was a man? Man, Morihaus was kinkier than I thought.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatosh made a covenant with http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessia in those days so long ago. He gathered the tangled skeins of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Oblivion, and knit them fast with the bloody sinews of his Heart, and gave them to Alessia, saying, 'This shall be my token to you, that so long as your blood and oath hold true, yet so shall my blood and oath be true to you. This token shall be the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Amulet_of_Kings, and the Covenant shall be made between us, for I am the King of Spirits, and you are the Queen of Mortals. As you shall stand witness for all Mortal Flesh, so shall I stand witness for all Immortal Spirits.'
And Akatosh drew from his briast a burning handful of his Heart's blood, and he gave it into Alessia's hand, saying, 'This shall also be a token to you of our joined blood and pledged faith. So long as you and your descendants shall wear the Amulet of Kings, then shall this dragonfire burn -- an eternal flame -- as a sign to all men and gods of our faithfulness. So long as the dragonfires shall burn, to you, and to all generations, I swear that my Heart's blood shall hold fast the Gates of Oblivion.
Alessia, also known as Queen Alessia or Saint Alessia, led the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:First_Era rebellion against the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayleids, freeing the humans of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil from slavery and founding a state now known as the First Cyrodilic Empire. As its first Empress, she established a new religion composed of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmer pantheons known as the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Eight_Divines. On her deathbed in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:First_Era#1E_266, she was sainted by http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarr[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:Fact] (in some stories http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatoshhttp://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessia#cite_note-TOSA-0), and her soul placed in the central stone of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Amulet_of_Kings.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessia#cite_note-Amulet-1 The Covenant between gods and men was made here. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Belharza was elected her successor as the second Emperor of Cyrodiil

The first one that made the convenant with Akatosh was female. The gods choose whoever they want; being a Nord or male isn't a requirement.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:50 pm

It's like having a non-dunmer Nerevarine. Some people might be hesitant to accept it, but it doesn't mean it's impossible.
The Dovakiin is a concept that stems from the Gods and may be Nord-centric but encompasses lore that involves various places and races around the world if not it's entirety. The Nerevarine is a much smaller and isolated concept chiefly involving Dunmer religion and perspectives and is limited to a much smaller span of time as well as the province of Morrowind. Two completely different things linked by the Gods interference, in the Nerevarine's case, Azura's foretelling of his/her reincarnation which would have happened anyway.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:33 am

Well I know I'm not the only Breton Dragonborn playing. And it don't feel weird or out of place to me.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:37 pm

I agree with you for the most part but you forgot to mention that all the ancient lore behind the Dragon borns in TES, including the first to light the dragon fires, have been men. Even from the in game world perspective any non man dragon born would still be unusual.
Alessia, Saint Alessia, Alessia the Slave Queen was a man? Man, Morihaus was kinkier than I thought.

Actually, I always thought Alessia was the kinky one. Talking about a divine winged bull and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Remanada.


edit,

And on added note, there have been many badass females throughout the series' history. Granted, some were very like Mary Sues (looking at you, Barenziah). There was the empress of Pelagius the Mad, I think? Dark elf empress, of all things. Katariah, I think. Did an outstanding job running the joint.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:54 am

Alessia, Saint Alessia, Alessia the Slave Queen was a man? Man, Morihaus was kinkier than I thought.




The first one that made the convenant with Akatosh was female. The gods choose whoever they want; being a Nord or male isn't a requirement.

I didn't mean the gender of the first to light the fires I just used the word 'man'

the human individual as representing the species, withoutreference to six; the human http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race; humankind:

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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:13 pm

Well, my Breton is a ginger and gingers dont have souls anyways soooo...
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:52 pm

Well my thief/assassin is a Khajiit but I fell silly to be dragonborn-cat so I wont play it.
Does anyone else feel like playing NonNord character doesnt give you the importance of Beeing dragonborn?
TES has always had a habit of making their main campaigns ethno-centric since Morrowind. Why in the hell would a male Dunmer hero reincarnate as a female Argonian? Doesn't work. Why would a Dunmer Champion of Cyrodiil care about the fate of the Empire? Doesn't work. Why would all of Skyrim bow to the will of an Altmer Dovakhiin?

*Ralof and Altmer PC escape Helgen*

"Hey, you should go to Windhelm and join the Stormcloaks, despite the fact that we Nords have a pathological hatred of your people and would never accept your help, even if it were offered!"

*Altmer PC meets with Ulfric in Windhelm to lend a hand to the cause...and is promptly decapitated by his Carl for being a Thalmor spy*

Also, why are non-human races allowed to buy property and become thanes in racist Skyrim? They don't allow Khajiit inside the city walls, but they'll let you buy property and become an honored citizen?

To anyone who says the race of the Dovakhiin doesn't matter, you're right. That said, it's not what the dovakhiin is but what s/he does that makes it improbable. An Altmer or Khajiit isn't about to convince the two warring factions to meet for a temporary ceasefire - dragonborn or no, they simply wouldn't be respected. If an Altmer walked into the court of Ulfric Stormcloak claiming to be Dragonborn, a status perceived to be exclusive to human races by most Nords, he'd be laughed out, if not killed out-right.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:25 pm

Blame your character's mother for doing nasty things with a dragon.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:58 pm

Imperials fit nicely :wink: I hear ya though, imagine an Argonian dragonborn? thats just strange...

Yeah, tell me about it. I play an Argonian Dragonborn. He sounds all Argonian and then he says "Fus Ro Dah!" like a human.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:40 pm

Yeah, tell me about it. I play an Argonian Dragonborn. He sounds all Argonian and then he says "Fus Ro Dah!" like a human.
More like a dragon.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:03 pm

Khajiit dragonborn makes more sense than a nord, if you simply think of shouts as dragon "roar's" instead.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:33 pm

Well, my Breton is a ginger and gingers dont have souls anyways soooo...

haha.. thanks for reminding me of that
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:43 pm

Where does it say that the Thu'um cannot be used by anyone but Nords?
Where does it say that the Dovahkiin will be a Nord?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:04 pm

Nords don't choose who the Dragonborn is, Gods do.


I to thought this, then i thought of how cool it is to have a non nord being a Dragonborn. just think, every one is looking for a nord, then you, a non nord is Dragonborn!
Yeah. It's more interesting when something is not what everyone expects. Too bad the Nords don't give any surprised reactions in game...It's a bit immersion breaking. You just have to roleplay it.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:20 am

Nords don't choose who the Dragonborn is, Gods do.



Yeah. It's more interesting when something is not what everyone expects. Too bad the Nords don't give any surprised reactions in game...It's a bit immersion breaking. You just have to roleplay it.

Yeah, if you think about it, most heroes and icons from real life history weren't exactly what people expected. For example, France got stomped on for 100 years by the English.. not even the best soldiers knew a way to really help their country. Suddenly, a 17 year old peasant girl comes out of nowhere, claims to have visions, can take an arrow to the knee chest like a champ, and command armies like the best of generals.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:54 pm

I'm pretty sure the "canon" (and I use that word loosely) Dovakhiin is supposed to be a Nord. Not to say that the DovaKhiin can't be a Nord, but as a previous poster said, Bethesda games tend to be ethnocentric to the region they are in.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:47 pm

While the Nord idea has a lot of sense, I think people are too influenced by the trailer.

You could play a Redguard dovahkiin, partly inspired by the 13th Warrior or somesuch. Just for example.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that Bethesda was inspired somewhat by the 13th Warrior when making this. I bet that's one reason they hired Vladimir Kulich to play Ulfric.

And if they really wanted to make a stronger Nord centric story, he wouldn't have come from Cyrodil. I bet it'd be more personal. Like a William Wallace story, where a native gets screwed over in his homeland, and leads a revolt. But no... you're just another stranger off the boat. It's open ended.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:45 am

I don't see why Nords could only be Dragonborn.
So no, I don't feel any weird at all about being a bosmer or an orc that is the Dragonborn.
On the other hand I did feel weird about siding with the Stormcloaks as a Bosmer..
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:39 am

Or...what if the Gods and Daedric Princes gambled who chooces the next Dragonborn, and Sheogorath won the bet...Even M'aiq could be Dragonborn...no-one just knows. :biggrin:

Edit: Or is it said in the lore that it's always Akatosh who makes the choice?
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