That's why we don't want it every time, because it's entirely pointless.

Oblivions guilds were much longer and more in depth, but thats about it. Skyrim's atmosphere is 10x better than oblivions and everything is 10x as believable.

Oblivion's quests actually had in-depth stories behind them, making them more unique, and appealing. It actually felt like there were consequences for your actions in quests, and in the general game world, unlike Skyrim.

I wish that the player had to option to accept leadership (if that player have the skill to be one), or give the leadership to more compatent NPC.
I finished the winterhold colage questline with only 3 aprentice skills, after a wonderful quest buildup the quest was over and somehow i became the guild leader, i felt thats all im the leader now?
so many thing fealt unfinished.

I just remember the Quest with the Goblin war in Oblivion, where the people wanted to build a new Town. If you had done the Quest there really was a Town some time later. In Skyrim there are no such changes if you solve a Quest.

Skyrim is very shallow and fails to svck me into the world.
Oblivion had me from the first second 'till the last.

Skills at 100 or not, i don't see why it's necessary to become the leader of a faction at all.

^This

The plot twists were waay too predicable. It's no fun if you know all the endings to the major quest-lines efore even playing.

I wish skyrim had a questline that resemble the fighters guild in oblivion the quest http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Infiltration was briliant. at the first time that ive done the quest i was in shock that i halped slauter an entier family.
after that quest all i wanted to do was to enhielate the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Blackwood_Company.

To the benafit of skyrim i have to say that the world feel alive almost every area have some kind of story, something happend there. the game yearn for the briliant tuch of modders inorder to reach its full potential.

And your post is 10x dumber than anything else in this thread.

50 hours in with a few characters i have yet to see any "depth" in skyrim. the gameplay mechanics don't add it, dialogue doesn't add it and my time and choices in the world hasn't done much of anything to effect things around me.

less choices, less customization, less cause/effect, less weapons/armor, no factions, no depth, less "classic" rpg, less sophistication.
great world for exploration and losing oneself in. good roleplaying.

Yup, this right here. Everything is dum..... oh wait, "streamlined" (to not offend the console users).

As a console user, I can assure you that many of us hate the dumbing down as much as anyone. I had a whole series of threads to prove it!

speaking of which how's that coming? On the next one yet?

What the................ Do you guys think before typing? Oblivion quest is better than skyrim? Wow... I played oblivion like 100 times and I just played skyrim. I perfer skyrim's quest. I also heard someone says that oblivion's guild is better than skyrim and it feels like a guild more? Wrong wrong wrong. I don't understand why you would think that. The guilds in skyrim. You gotta do many things before you join and the location of the guilds are unique. When you're in each guild it feels like you are a warrior/mage/assassin/thief. Really does. The story is soo intense.

It isn't, and yet, since Morrowind it always ends the same way. (with certain exceptions like the Civil War)

Can someone explain. How it feels like the you are in the guild more in oblivion than skyrim or how theres many things you can do in a quest like poison them/Drop a statue?

skyrim beats oblivion on main quest and the random sidequests which i actually like doing and combat and the "feel" of magic and alchemy. oblivion beats skyrim on guild quests, gameplay mechanics like degradation of gear and spellmaking and for some reason i seem to remember more characters from oblivion than i do from skyrim and i have played 160 hours of skyrim recently and havent touched oblivion in almost two years. they both equally svck at factions and how the world reacts to what you do. fallout 3 and especially fallout NV take the take on world changes, factions and quests design.

Really? Many many many things? Bard's college what 3-4 fetch quests? Companions you get what like 5-6 "go here kill x" or to that effect quests. Winterhold you get a few simple quick to complete ones and then it just suddenly stops and some guy says oh yeah your now head of the guild. I haven't done the thieves or DB yet so can't comment. But from what I've seen and can remember from OB yeah I'd say Mage's guild is tons better, then winterhold's.

I think Skyrim is a vast improvement over Oblivion in almost all areas. Magic looks and feels the way it always should have, each city and town have their own unique feel, and the new skill tree is amazing. Movement in combat is a little clunky, but after a few hours of gameplay, you adapt to it and isn't no longer a big deal. I also don't agree with the new inventory system, I think I prefer Oblivion's over Skyrim's because you could search through your items a little easier and didn't feel so minimal.

Oblivion felt much deeper to me. Skyrim feels shallow and generic to me even if it is fun. Quests don't offer much in the way of storyline or dialog which is a bummer for me since I came from New Vegas to Skyrim. It doesn't even compare to NV in terms of depth, and don't even get me started on followers...

please, name 5

That's the funniest crap I have ever heard!

Here are the five locations in Oblivion: towns, forts, caves, mines, and Ayleid ruins. When you've seen one of each, you've seen them all.

If you measure depth by the length of the quests and the number of different reactions that an NPC can take toward a character, I don't think Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skryim differ enough to be noteworthy. They are all pretty thin in both regards. There are long and short quests in all of them, and very few characters in any game have any deep relationship with the player. Frankly, I'm surprised people even argue about it. 80% of the dialogue in Morrowind is boilerplate shared by 80% of the NPCs. I'm sure that's why they removed it when they made Oblivion. Skyrim has maybe a shade less dialogue than Oblivion, but most of it is better written and acted. Honestly, the writing and acting in Oblivion is downright campy most of the time.

As far as the "stats" go: yes, stats are important tools that help you define your character, but, really, let's not exaggerate their significance. Is playing a race that has +10 Strength, -10 Personality really making a huge difference to your experience? When I RP, I never think about stats. In fact, I find thinking about stats interferes with RP because it tempts me to start min/maxing instead of acting in character. I don't have a problem with stats, they can add to the interest of a game and serve useful ends, but they are not the be-all end-all of RPGs. They are one element in a complex mix.