Please stop, you're not making any sense.

Really? I thought for sure it was crystal clear. Please, allow me to reiterate:

They aren't finished cutting valuable (albeit based on popular opinion, worthless) RPG elements, and people aren't finished praising them for it.

Personally, I don't think we need Butterflies, 10 races, the option to make your character male or female, any of the sliders, or weather conditions.

I also don't think we need to have all of the skills seperated. There should only be "Warrior" "Thief" and "Mage" and you just put a point into which one you want, thereby increasing everything associated with it.

Stamina is worthless and should also be removed. We don't need it.
All of the traps that don't kill you can be taken out because we have auto regen.
Any NPC that doesn't give you a quest is pointless and should be removed.
We don't need starter quests in the guilds either; we could make it where you join the guild and immediately do the mission to save the guild and that's that.
There are also no point in character levels. Just get the one point for warrior, thief & mage. Don't even count the levels. They're arbitrary.

Cooking is only decent at like level 1-5, so that can go. No point in alchemy either if you can just buy the potions. We could even remove all dialogue from essential NPCs and just keep putting pointers on the compass.

Hmm... for all of those people who agree that we don't need stats or attributes or [insert cut RPG element here], there sure is a whole lot of other things we don't need either.
In fact, when it comes down to it, we could just spawn the static character in front of the boss at the very beginning.

Did people bash Morrowind when it released and adored Daggerfall?

People seem really butthurt about lack of stats...

If I wanted to play with numbers I'd be in a classroom bored to tears.

It isn't about the stats, its about giving them an inch and them taking a mile.

It's okay that none of you see that. Most people never do.

No, some people do see that...I admit they cut too much, but I they also added new dimensions to the game that simply weren't there before.

Better or worse is a personal judgement call, but this idea that it's some kind of downward spiral, or that any removal of any skill or stat = cutting content is where I call BS.

I don't know about you personally but games like Deus Ex:HR, Portal, Batman AA and AC etc. make me think otherwise. these past few years have seen some of the best games ever made.

Quite agreed.

For far to long have people, specifically PC gamers, been complaining that everything svcks and it getting worse.

I don't know about you personally but games like Deus Ex:HR, Portal, Batman AA and AC etc. make me think otherwise. these past few years have seen some of the best games ever made.

Well there's good and bad, but I definitely wouldn't say games are in some kind of slump at all..that, the last ten years have seen some fantastic games, indy and bigger name.

I'm...... actually lost for words right now. Oblivion was absolutely ripped to shreds before Skyrim was even announced, now all of a sudden it's a deep experience and better than Skyrim.

How things change.

when compared together yes, they are saying. I'd tend to agree, because most of the faction and mq are stupidly thought out and painfully short or scratch your head "WHo thought this was cool" after you play it. Honestly all the guild quests in there are between 3-6 quests and the vast majority end with some guy saying yeah your not the leader....never mind that you just joined 2 weeks ago and all these senior members are supposed to be way ahead fo you in rank and power. As pointed out the winterhold college is a prime example.

Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim all do some things incredibly well and some things poorly. One of the best things about Skyrim, at least for me, is how ALIVE the world feels. They sort of did this in Oblivion, but in Skyrim you actually feel like there is a living, breathing world around you. Combat in Skyrim blows away Morrowind and Oblivion. People seem to forget that, in Morrowind, the world is rather lifeless. Yes, Morrowind has incredible depth and lore, and has more skills, weapons, spells, and quests (better quests too, in many cases), but there's not a whole lot of life in it. NPCs don't really move or even do anything unless scripted to do so in a quest. It's awesome, but it's not perfect, despite what you hear from many people on the forums.

Personally, I don't think we need Butterflies, 10 races, the option to make your character male or female, any of the sliders, or weather conditions.

I also don't think we need to have all of the skills seperated. There should only be "Warrior" "Thief" and "Mage" and you just put a point into which one you want, thereby increasing everything associated with it.

Stamina is worthless and should also be removed. We don't need it.
All of the traps that don't kill you can be taken out because we have auto regen.
Any NPC that doesn't give you a quest is pointless and should be removed.
We don't need starter quests in the guilds either; we could make it where you join the guild and immediately do the mission to save the guild and that's that.
There are also no point in character levels. Just get the one point for warrior, thief & mage. Don't even count the levels. They're arbitrary.

Cooking is only decent at like level 1-5, so that can go. No point in alchemy either if you can just buy the potions. We could even remove all dialogue from essential NPCs and just keep putting pointers on the compass.

Hmm... for all of those people who agree that we don't need stats or attributes or [insert cut RPG element here], there sure is a whole lot of other things we don't need either.
In fact, when it comes down to it, we could just spawn the static character in front of the boss at the very beginning.

Funny i felt the exact same way during The Morrowind guild quests

Fighters guild: do some trivial kill jobs, killer the fighters guild leader, become guild master
Mages guild: find some books about the Dwemer that no one really cares about, kill the guild master, become guild master
Thieves guild: do a bunch of unrelated thefts, kill the fighters guild leader, become guild master
Tribunal Temple: walk a bunch of places and give some dudes some potions/scrolls, become guild master

Etc. Etc

I'm...... actually lost for words right now. Oblivion was absolutely ripped to shreds before Skyrim was even announced, now all of a sudden it's a deep experience and better than Skyrim.

How things change.

Funny because in morrowind you actally had rank, and needed minuim skill requirements for said ranks. So you actually had to have some qualifications to be high enough rank to get close to that leadership role. Not so in Oblivion or Skyrim. Helll you don't even have to use magic the entire game to be the Archmage. I don't have to have touched a sword to becaome the best fighter in the land and so on...So nice try but no go....

Funny because in morrowind you actally had rank, and needed minuim skill requirements for said ranks. So you actually had to have some qualifications to be high enough rank to get close to that leadership role. Not so in Oblivion or Skyrim. Helll you don't even have to use magic the entire game to be the Archmage. I don't have to have touched a sword to becaome the best fighter in the land and so on...So nice try but no go....

Funny because I got past all those "ranks" and "guild reqs" by spending gold at a skill trainer because there was no limit on how many skills I could train per level.

Combined with Morrowind's nasty habit of throwing expensive enchanted items at you ever 5 feet making not having gold hard, I totally forgot the guild ranks existed 1/4 way through the game

The bolded is untrue, because you do have to use magic (though it is limited and you are right to be disappointed in it IMO)
The underlined is false also, because you have to fight Vilkas with a sword to become a Companion.

That said, I do agree that guilds should be like how they were in Morrowind: Rank established and viewable or at least recognized, minimum skill requirements to reach certain ranks, etc.

Well I guess you'll feel right at home when they give you pretty much zero recognition for completing the civil war questline and the MQ line.