There is a lot of people who like it that way as it lets them control down to every detail ( even if it is meaningless on a larger scale) of their character's progress and prowess, then there are some who like leveling purely as a way to unlock something you can do and like to focus on being immersed in the world and story more so than anything else, then there is those like me who like a mixture of both so long as it is not stripped to basic or made to much like a spread sheet format that breaks immersion for little payout. In oblivion I actually ignored what would be called "optimal building" and just went nuts and still defeated all who went before me without using exploits.

My handwriting's akin to that of a four year olds, except it's in pen, not crayon. For that reason I would like my old journals back please.

You're not rambling, your points are perfectly valid, and I agree.

It's not as if they made you play that way. Actually, thanks to the messed up scaling in Oblivion, it made it more of a challenge if you did'nt.

The... Huh....

...What?

actually i share your same view on spell making it was friends of mine who found it to be a bit weighty for them and what they expected out of a game. The attributes in all truth were not so much if you did not want them to be as I stated above i did fine ignoring how I raise them.



I am not sure how long you been gaming for so I will not assume, but will post from the point of view of myself and fellow gaming friends of mine. I been gaming since the 80s and a lot of computer rpg games I have played like ultima did not have a quest log or other thing to remind you of things you had to take notes. So when put in front of marrowind (my first TES game) and saw the journal we thought to ourselves "wow that is a nice convenience, but wow is the impression of gamers today being seen as "we need to make it easier and more convenient for them or else they won't play our game"". Probably a more negative view on our parts to something which I admit when used and not gimped is a nice thing to have, but for us we took a different elitist role to gaming at the time. I will also say that I do not think people should be forced to paper and pen as even though it's the style I like to play it may not be for everyone and should not be forced upon them especially considering such methods are no longer the status quo for gaming.

I feel like an idiot for not thinking of this, well I'll be doing it now.
thatnks for the idea op

Another thing I dislike about the journal is you get given quests that you didn't consent to, and you may have no intention of doing them thus your journal gets cluttered. They did it better in Fallout 3 where you had a seperate page for notes, and another one for actual quests. Here's they seem to have merged notes with minor quests, which I really don't understand the logic for.

I couldn't agree more I hate that a lot as I am a neat freak in life and in gaming it drives me nuts to have unwanted clutter the best I can do is ignore my journal all together and always look to my notes. I don't mind it though when they add locations to my map as every now and then I will look at my map and go "oh hey where did that come from? I never been there... it's adventure time!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

Its a mash-up of both being played backwards.

Also, a gundam pops in every few years and kills everybody everypony.

I have an excellent memory, so this didn't concern me, but I can see how some people may get lost. Misc quests are basically sans narrative. I find the narrative for individual quests to be quite satisfactory.

WTF, why didn't anyone tell me that this antiquated method still works? *gg

I would honestly love it if the ink and paper you found in the game could actually be written with and on. That would make taking notes pretty cool. Plus you could create custom books when you say had 5 or more rolls of parchment.

This... this is actually a great idea. One of the best suggestions so far from those I have seen on the forum.

We`d have to wait for a Mod for that. I used a Mod that did that in Morrowind. It did help add personality to the quests.

This is one of those "why didn't I think of that!" ideas. I used to do this all the time back in the day, but got out of the habit. It may be just what I'm looking for to be able to play without those quest markers. Thank you Blade Watcher!

Children? The game is rated M.

With absolutely no support towards either side of this argument... that really doesn't mean anything. Getting an M rating is extremely easy. Do you really think children aren't playing M-rated games?

Just about the most naive thing i've heard all day. To emphisize this as much as possible, here is a YT video that both Pete Hines, and the Bethblog, clearly approve of, as they both Re-tweeted it on their twitter accounts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8B9WkcxLA&feature=youtu.be

This child is most definatley not 'M'

My Oblivion map has so many notes, scribbles, and symbols written on it that it looks like...well...I don't really know what it looks like...but it sure doesn't look like a map anymore.

I remember playing the old Sierra games, Gold Box D&D, Ultima....with every new game purchased I also bought a new notebook, a new pad of graph paper, and a couple new pens.

Awesome.

yep, pad and pencil is a great way to eliminate the map and quest markers. and, it makes it truly like a foreign land that you can get lost in and have to find your way around the world. adds great adventure and makes you really listen to the conversations. helps personalize the experience, as well.

I can see where old-school D&D players get a nostalgic view of the whole pen and paper aspect of keeping up with all the quest info themselves.

I even still have , buried out in the garage, a box full of all my old D&D stuff from the 80’s including some of my most dear characters that I just can’t seem to bring myself to get rid of.

However, when I play this game, it is on a laptop and I am very mobile so it is very difficult for me to carry notebooks of data with me and dig it all out when I think I have a few minutes to play at some very random places.

To tell the truth the only reason I even tried this game was because it was not online requiring an internet connection. My appreciation for this game them began to grow as I immersed myself in the game world and the online community that surrounds it.

I fully expected to be able to install this game and have everything self-contained in the game that I may need outside of the occasional Web trolling I might do.

I wish that there was a way to review the conversations that you have and or the details of a quest listing in the journal.
There have been many times that I was in the middle of being given a quest and wish I could re-wind because I didn’t understand what they said or I was interrupted, usually by one of my four kids, during the important parts of the conversation.

There is nothing more frustrating than having to restore back to an autosave point and work your way back to the quest assignment portion just because there is no way to reference it once the words are spoken.

I would love to be able to keep a host of spirals and file-folders to break out and set up a ‘zone’ of Skyrim around me but that is unfortunately not an option, so I lose out, period.

Just my 2-cents

call me crazy but i don't usually forget why i do what in this game.

I am probably close to your age and also played those same games... I will admit that I hope never to make another graph paper map of a dungeon again! lol. As fascinating as Wizardry or Ultima III was in 1985, I seriously could not do that again! But I did and do enjoy roughing maps, and taking notes on paper. I don't know why you can't just make notes in game, in your own notebook. They've had things like that as far back as Ultima 8, that I can remember. I am guessing the limitation is blamed on consoles, maybe? the RAM? I don't know - don't use a console.