To people who don't read the books

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:07 pm

I like the books. Not to derail this too much into criticism, but I wish the in game adventuring/dialogue reflected the writing of some of these books more. The narrative books, especially. Like "Incident at Necrom" or "Night Falls on Sentinel". They're better than many quests.

Two of my favorites. Also, "A Hypothetical Treachery."
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:08 am

I DO think they have good writing.. but that also kind of ticks me off if/when things take a quick and dirty approach in game. I know what they're capable of.
Some of that may have to do with the technical aspects that have to be taken account for gameplay, voice acting, branching, consistency etc. Prose has more freedom.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:11 pm

I read logs but I don't read the books very often, I like reading I just don't like to excessively read in my Video games, I mean I buy games to play them not to read them. reading the books is good for role playing to get more immersed in the world but Skyrim is already a time consuming game I would rather spend 15 minutes doing a quest than 15 minutes reading a book that I'm not going to really get anything out of. I don't care about gold so there's not much books can offer me in Skyrim besides skill levels and I'm already 100 in my important skills so even then books don't offer much to me.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:43 pm

I would rather spend 15 minutes doing a quest than 15 minutes reading a book that I'm not going to really get anything out of.
Well like I already said, I rarely read books while I'm playing, but the last phrase boggles. You like stories, don't you? Presumably RPG players do. There are some really good ones.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:13 am

As fun as saying the mexican american war was actually won by trained australian kangaroos and abe lincoln is a vampire fighting zombie is, it doesn't really have place in serious discussion on history.
You mean a serious discussion on the history inside a game world. Your concerns are noted, but I will not care about them. Ever. I leave you alone and I wish you would start doing the same with me. Until then will I just keep shaking my head each time you come with your lore argument. Believe me, I want nothing of it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:38 pm

Lore aside, I just enjoy reading them. Some of them are just really fun little short stories.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Two of my favorites. Also, "A Hypothetical Treachery."
Did someone mention "Horror at Castle Xyr?" Good one.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:02 pm

When lore is the core element of a franchise (which is why Bethesda always invests in lore-building), thats to be expected. Really, thats like complaining how someone uses a gun in CoD.

Tough to be honest, it is ridiculous to ignore the lore in ANY franchise, be it gaming, book, etc.
I bet the players of CoD will want to discuss their virtual weapons based on knowledge on real weapons rather than on what the game maker sees as possibility.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:56 am

I tend to read the journals, but not the books - I'd rather adventure than read, and I'm quite a bookworm. I feel like I have a good knowledge of TES lore and don't really need to read any books for that part, either.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:51 am

It seems a mite pointless to expect people who don't like reading to read about why they should read.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:52 pm

I bet the players of CoD will want to discuss their virtual weapons based on knowledge on real weapons rather than on what the game maker sees as possibility.

Some will, some won't. The point here is that all would complain if you said that CoD should only gave fist-fighting as way to attack the enemy.

I find most posts here ridiculous (no really, why do they try to make people read or care?), but it is equally ridiculous to complain about people here liking to be strict in lore-discussions when it is made clear that Lore is supposed to be important in the franchise.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:04 am

The short stories with a plot twist at the end are my favs (like Immortal Blood or The Exodus), but I don't enjoy long, historical descriptions as much. I also recommend you read the Biography of Barenziah and then The Real Barenziah, I really enjoyed them. Oh yeah, and also READ JOURNALS FOR THEY ARE AWESOME!
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:00 pm

The short stories with a plot twist at the end are my favs (like Immortal Blood or The Exodus), but I don't enjoy long, historical descriptions as much. I also recommend you read the Biography of Barenziah and then The Real Barenziah, I really enjoyed them. Oh yeah, and also READ JOURNALS FOR THEY ARE AWESOME!

Ah yes, Immortal Blood... the subject of that book is the vampire lord that tried to conquer Morthal. I was "Cool" when I found out about it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:41 am

Ah yes, Immortal Blood... the subject of that book is the vampire lord that tried to conquer Morthal. I was "Cool" when I found out about it.

I liked the snappy ending, really wasn't expecting him to do (or rather be) that.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:42 am

BTW, my biggest woe in the game is when I try to collect a series for reading. It took me roughly 50 hours to find the entire Argonian Account!
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:47 am

BTW, my biggest woe in the game is when I try to collect a series for reading. It took me roughly 50 hours to find the entire Argonian Account!

Yeah, and the help that Nords don't read so we have only one librarian doesn't help much :/
Well, I read that in OB so that at least wasn't a problem. Rising Threat was thankfully easy to find for some reason.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:48 am

... but it is equally ridiculous to complain about people here liking to be strict in lore-discussions when it is made clear that Lore is supposed to be important in the franchise.
It is not important to everyone and it is rude to claim otherwise to those who see it as unimportant. It is why we have threads where everyone can post their opinion, but it does not allow you to attack others for it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:08 pm

It is not important to everyone and it is rude to claim otherwise to those who see it as unimportant.

As I said, I do not agree with the forceful people here. I read all the books but the "You must read them!!!" posts here are really... WTF?
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:34 am

I remember when I first played Daggerfall and Morrowind I loved readig the books but with Oblivion and Skyrim the interest of reading has lost its charm for me. Some books have familiar titles since Daggerfall which adds insult to injury to my curiosity. Some of the books in Daggerfall are 5 times better than in Skyrim.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:46 pm

As I said, I do not agree with the forceful people here. I read all the books but the "You must read them!!!" posts here are really... WTF?
I am guessing some are only now starting to appreciate the books, whereas others are veterans and I have retired from it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:15 pm

Not trying to understand what you're reading is not the solution. Each book in the game is a piece of a giant puzzle; you get the final image when you've finished reading them. To play a TES game, you must be a "lorehead" or you're missing their essence; doesn't make any sense.

Not really, I don't know much lore (only very basic stuff) and I get by fine. You shouldn't force your idea of "fun" on others. That said, I love reading books.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:35 pm

I have a huge collection of books I have yet to get myself to read >:|
that is the reason I collected them.
I started liking the books in this franchise when I first read The Real Barenziah.
admittedly I only read it to find out about what these rumors were about something Khajiit have O.o
but after I read the first book, I just wanted to finish the rest of the Volumes :D
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:28 pm

Well like I already said, I rarely read books while I'm playing, but the last phrase boggles. You like stories, don't you? Presumably RPG players do. There are some really good ones.
yes but here's the thing: I would rather be the story than read the story.
such as I would rather be continuing a narative physically by manipulating my surroundings rather than reading a naritive about another persons adventure. I'm playing the game to live MY adventure not read about someone elses. If I wanted to do that I would pick up a book and read that.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:44 am

Not everyone is a lorehead! I see fans of lore often jumping into a discussion and pulling out lore. It is as annoying as a dog that was trained to fetch the newspaper but keeps fetching the neighbor's paper instead. I am not saying the fans of lore are dogs, I am just trying to get a picture across of how annoying it is. It is cute, too.

Your argument that lore must not be invented is typical for a lorehead. It smothers any discussion on what could be and limits it to what it must not be. There are also discussions purely on lore, which I avoid, but the loreheads always believe that everything must be based on lore and that lore dictates all and they carry their believe into any discussion.

Lol, I'm a relative newb really. I'm hardly a "lorehead". I just catch on quick.

I would say the same thing though if we stumbled upon each other and played a game of basketball. If you started inventing your own rules, I might just leave you to it and quit. You can play by yourself. The only reason basketball is fun between multiple people though is when there's an established set of parameters of what basketball even is. I wouldn't get too pissed if you started fouling occassionally, but outright blatant rule breaking would just ruin it.

Now back to this game world. There aren't too many established rules, and even less established facts that we have to agree on. If I am a "lorehead", I'm not a very strict one. But there are things that are generally agreed upon to make debates worthwhile. If someone just wanted to ignore all of that, and put the burden on others accept their little private views of everything, they're wasting my time.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:55 am

Lol, I'm a relative newb really. I'm hardly a "lorehead". I just catch on quick.

I would say the same thing though if we stumbled upon each other and played a game of basketball. If you started inventing your own rules, I might just leave you to it and quit. You can play by yourself. The only reason basketball is fun between multiple people though is when there's an established set of parameters of what basketball even is. I wouldn't get too pissed if you started fouling occassionally, but outright blatant rule breaking would just ruin it.

Now back to this game world. There aren't too many established rules, and even less established facts that we have to agree on. If I am a "lorehead", I'm not a very strict one. But there are things that are generally agreed upon to make debates worthwhile. If someone just wanted to ignore all of that, and put the burden on others accept their little private views of everything, they're wasting my time.

I have just come to realize (and much of this I owe to your post so thank you good sir) that lore discussions are viewed here as competitions with rules to be won. I shall form now on never take part in such discussions. Thank you for your enlightening post once again.
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