One of the most noticeable differences is the political correctness. In many situations there was more women soldiers then male soldiers, giving this is supposed to be a racist, sixist society; I cringe every time I hear someone say "sons and daughters of Skyrim", it's like someone who refuses to say policeman because they think it's offensive, instead insisting they are a policeperson or policepeople. I don't think they should be no women soldiers, there should be a hand few but they should certainly be the exception to the rule; it really does seem like Bethesda is deathly afraid of upsetting its tiny almost nonexistent female fan base, and subscribing to political correctness, it's sad really.

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You make a good point, but since this is a video game it's better to have it this way. sixism is one of the things you just can't put into a video game, as well as racism.


You however make a mistake saying that female fanbase is almost nonexistent. This is not true, there are quite a lot of girls and women playing this game.

Speaking as part of Bethesda's female fan base, I like Skyrim's inclusiveness.

The desire for gender equality is not limited to women only.

Did you notice that the imperial side and the jarls who are loyal to them have far more female officers and officials than the stormcloaks...why do you think that is??

Never paid any attention to the amount of female soldiers compared to male ones. Nor in gender balance in any other profession or guild. Except that [censored] of a captain in the intro

I just play the game, i don't try to find statements from them

TES has always put most woman on equal footing as men, however there is still sixism there. There are fewer female Emperors then male... There are fewer female guild leaders, pretty much every high up position is more likely to lead by a man then a woman and when a woman leads then they are almost always incompetent...

However TES universe allows man and woman to serve in all factions and guilds so it makes complete sense to see a great number of woman in there... And man still outnumber woman.

There are a lot more female gamers than you think my friend. And Betheseda is after the wallet in their pocket.

Yes, politcal correctness has run amuk in TES and it's not only with making sure there are plenty of Femal Soilders.

My opinion? With those words you lost any credibility you may have had. There are a lot more girl gamers than people bother to notice

I suppose next you'll be telling us not to play Skyrim and to go back to playing Barbie Dress Up or Cooking Mama?

He is mostly referring to how liberal Skyrim is despite sporting some incredibly reactionary ideals.

I still feel they have totally ignored lore to make it political correct.

There is some racism in the game, Nords hate Elves because there Elves.

its the year 2012 and its an american company.. you have to expect that kind of thing.
and honestly i could care less, its a fictional world and to be honest i prefer killing females as they are more fun to steal armor off of.
.... im assuming the time you spent typing this post is about as much time as bethesda spent thinking about the ramifications of a pc skyrim.

The only racists in this game are drunken fools who think they are tough. Racism is not limited to such idiots, compare for example social darwinist "scientific racism" which flourished in late 19th century Europe, promoted by low and upper classes alike.

I have to admit that I've noticed and been slightly annoyed by it but that's the society we live in today... If it wasn't like this then everyone would be complaining about it being racist and sixist... It's sad but nowadays designers aren't allowed to make a game contain the type of society that it's supposed to just because of political correctness... I say screw political correctness... What's the point of it outside of politics??? Let the designers of games and movies and tv series the way they want them and if you don't like it then noone's forcing you to watch/play it...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not racist and I'm not sixist, I just think a setting should be accurate to the lore it's based in...

I entirely agree with them been regard on a equal footing, but it completely ridiculous to have large portion of the army in one of the most reactionary countries in the game to be women.

I don't think the OP said that. I think the problem is that Bethesda is so focused on not offending everyone they are putting things in the game that really just don't belong. In the time frame the game is in I would think that more women would be selling things and doing things in the home, not out bashing dragons upside the head.

I have zero problem with it but I do think that this over-correctness leads to molding all people together, where everyone talks and acts the same with no soul of difference. Compare Fallout New Vegas which had people from all views of the world. sixist semi-Roman loonies, I-hate-everyone war veterans, fighting women but also "traditional" women. In Skyrim everyone is a warrior, everyone loves to kill, and nobody wants to make the world a better place.

And that's what makes the factions so dull and uninteresting. When everyone is the other side of the same coin it doesn't in the end matter who supports what. Again compare to New Vegas whose factions made it clear what kind of people they want, and you really had to give thought to who you want ruling Vegas.

Only the people aren't that back in the woods. Skyrim has never once in it's entire history made a point about equal or different rights between man and woman because they appearantly just don't care about it. Not every world follows our history, and TES obviously never did.

Is there actual lore to support the idea that there shouldn't be as many women guards as men in Skyrim? Or is this just a case of "if this were the real world and the Norn were based 100% on previous real world societies then this could be completely unrealistic!"?


I also can't help but feel that Bethesda knew ahead of time there would be threads like this and poked fun at the idea. "What's the matter, you can't stand the sight of a strong Nord woman?"

In a totally tolerant society game developer should be able to make games about anything they want, accurate to law previously established, political correct charged censorship only serves to fuel resentment and distance between social groups. It's truly depressing that game developers and culture/media in general has to conform to this.

I'm normally not a fan of political correctness in any way, shape or form, but in this case I do prefer looking at female NPCs over male NPCs so I'm ok with it =)

In Fallout 3 there are actually more Hispanics than Caucasians. There are around 50% less African Americans than Caucasians which is still a bit high considering how A-A's form only around 13% of US population in our world (and even less in Fallout's retrofuturism)

The empire is not sixist or racist, they have had an agenda of equality between its′ people for a very long time, that IS supported by the lore and more than half of Skyrim is controlled by the imperials. The other side, the stormcloaks, feature very few female officers, seems to me that the game is staying well in line with what you would expect...

Play Oblivion or Morrowind, women were an small minority in the army there, in supposedly more "liberal" countries as well.

You must not play many videogames.