Which gun would you pick?

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:30 pm

m16 for urban areas Ak for wasteland
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Ash
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:47 am

AK47.
Powerful, Classic, Robust, Durable, Easy to use, and Iconic. :D
This rifle is the gun of the revolutionaries and rebels..... :gun:
It really leaves a impression.

M16?
No thanks.
I don't want ANY M16.
I prefer ACR instead.... (A fine gun, but too modern for Fallout...)

Like that guy have said:

Caliber 7,62mm (AK 47) > Caliber 5,56mm (M16)

All hail AK 47. AK 47, For everyone!! (I'm a AK-47 fanatic :wink_smile:)

*Edit: That's why my cat avatar uses AK-47. See my avatar? Yes, that gun is AK 47.




The main revolutionaries who use the AK-47 are those who cannot afford or obtain the M-16. Hezbollah and Hamas are known to use the M-16, which they presumably obtained either from the Lebanese government or captured from Israeli sources during various wars/conflicts. During the war with the Soviet Union many Afghan rebels would use the HK G3 battle rifle, which was considered the ultimate rifle in Afghanistan, with the rifle becoming something of a status symbol and 7.62x51mm NATO ammo going for about $1 dollar per round (quite a tidy sum in Afghanistan, particularly in the 1980s). The bulk of Afghanis were likely using some mixture of Mausers, Lee Enfields, 91/30 Nagants, M44 Nagants, SKS carbines, and whatever AK variants they could obtain. The elite, the tribal leaders, they snatched up every HK G3 they could get their hands on.

Even in Colombia, many of the paramilitaries use the M-16 or one of of its variants, or they use the Galil (although the Galil is arguably at least inspired by the AK family, if not actually a variant of said family).

The reason the AK-47 is so ubiquitous in revolutionary forces is that it was given out FOR FREE by the Soviet Union, the Chinese, and other combloc powers, back in "the day."

If an M-16 on the international arms market will cost X hundreds of dollars and an AKM will cost nothing, and you are a poor peasant farmer or a militant living in the hills, it's a pretty easy decision.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:53 pm

AK-47, because (unlike in the real world) the difference in the size of a 7.62 and 5.56 round matters.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:44 am

I'd have to say a Lee Enfield II, or a Grease Gun.

But seems as though they wern't an option I would have to say AK, more durable. Hell in Vietnam the US were discarding their weapons in favor of the least complicated gun in the world. I know alot of people are going to mention the inaccurate fully auto mode but honestly, if this gun is fired correctly (eg. the SAS two squeeze method) then it can be very handy. or even on semi-auto this gun is extremely accurate.




I've often heard this repeated time and time again, but outside of special forces units or soldiers picking up an enemies weapon to defend their foxhole in an immediate combat situation, no soldier would be allowed to throw his rifle into the jungle and go with an enemy's weapon.

If you lose your rifle you are basically in a world of hurt, legally speaking, especially if you willingly discarded it.

In all of the footage I've seen of Vietnam, of Marines fighting in Hue or the fighting in Saigon to defend the embassy, the fighting in/around Khe Sahn, etc, I've never once seen an American soldier lugging an AK. That's not to say that some special ops units didn't select the AK for a number of reasons (ease of obtaining ammo from enemies when behind the lines, confusing the enemy by firing at them with their own weapons rather than American weapons, etc), but I don't believe the often repeated claims that American soldiers were ditching their M-16s left and right in favor of AKs, because I've never seen any footage/pictures that would reinforce the claim and I don't know of any infantryman/grunt who would be able to legally get away with discarding his GOVERNMENT issued rifle. The government doesn't take too kindly to such gear being tossed aside.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:01 am

Even in Colombia, many of the paramilitaries use the M-16 or one of of its variants, or they use the Galil (although the Galil is arguably at least inspired by the AK family, if not actually a variant of said family).


The Galil is a Kalashnikov. I read a interview SOF did with the designer years ago....he said based on feedback from front-line troops (who considered the FAL unreliable) they decided to make what is essentially a high-grade copy of the AKM in 5.56 NATO. The prototypes even used re-worked M-16 barrel blanks. They only dropped it for the M-16 because the M-16 is cheaper for them because they get them as foreign aid from us.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:01 am

AK-47, because (unlike in the real world) the difference in the size of a 7.62 and 5.56 round matters.

A 5.56 has more muzzle velocity and range and, since it's a smaller round, will tear up the insides and not just go straight through.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:43 pm

The Galil is a Kalashnikov. I read a interview SOF did with the designer years ago....he said based on feedback from front-line troops (who considered the FAL unreliable) they decided to make what is essentially a high-grade copy of the AKM in 5.56 NATO. The prototypes even used re-worked M-16 barrel blanks. They only dropped it for the M-16 because the M-16 is cheaper for them because they get them as foreign aid from us.



The Galil is heavily inspired by the Finnish Valmet RK 62 which itself is derived from the AKM, thus the Galil is a few times removed from the AKM, although the inspiration is clearly evident.

That said, it still doesn't take away from the fact that militants throughout Colombia use the M-16 whenever they can get ahold of them. Many of the right-wing paramilitaries are using the Galil because it has largely been phased out in Israel and there are large quantities available. When you have limited options you take what you can get, but most people who have the choice, go with the M-16 for obvious reasons.

The M-16 is a better rifle than the AK-47 because the M-16 was designed first and foremost as a rifle that just happens to have an automatic fire capability. The AK-47 was designed as a shoulder fired machine gun that could also be used in semi-automatic mode, although the primary intent has always been fully-automatic. As a machine gun the AK family function better than the M-16 but as a rifle, the M-16 is easily superior to any AK variant.

If the objective is to spray round after round, pausing for only as long as is needed to change out the magazine, an AK variant may be the choice to go with. If the objective is to deliver precise and accurate fire, out to distances of 500-600 yards, then the M-16 is the obvious choice.

The M-16 is also much easier to disassemble and clean, and while it has some issues with jamming (most often due to inferior magazines, inferior ammunition, or improper maintenance on the part of the user), the AK variants seem to have a propensity for stove-pipe jams, particularly during extended periods of automatic fire.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:47 pm

I'll use my....machete :hubbahubba:


Machete schmachete... First mod I'm porting is my http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14643.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:11 am

I take the 3rd choice. LAR- Lever Action Rifle.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:13 am

Machete schmachete... First mod I'm porting is my http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14643.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_Sword
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