i love the m16 because of its low kick-back and meta black look, but the thing is, the ak is much more useful and hard to break, so im going to have to go with the ak

Full auto is never a selling point for any weapon. For that matter, neither is burst. Just saying.

Unless you're a G, yo.

Haha. Agreed. I'll take my three carefully placed shots over a hose anyday.

Two in the chest, one in the head.

1 in the head works better

The one in the head is just to make sure you don't have to deal with your opponent again later on, two well placed shots to the chest will more then likely do the job. (If your lungs/heart get hit you won't have much time to get to a hospital and save yourself especially since in the Wasteland there are very few hospitals.) :tops:

In the game, or real life? Real life niether becuase guns i don't care for guns at all (no offense, thats why there are so many gun related deaths over in the states) but in the game, probably the AK becuase it would suit more and becuase of it's history as a firearm....

Irresponsible [censored]s are responsible for the gun related deaths in the US. Most of us out here who respect firearms and use them for hunting, recreational shooting and things of that sort don't appreciate being pooled in with thugs and delinquents who want to be "gangsters" and get into the "thug life" so to speak. Those people don't go by the law in the slightest they get guns through drug trades and black market deals, just because a few people in a large nation do messed up things with firearms doesn't mean we should all be punished for what they did. (A lot of people have been stabbed to death by knives, should we ban knives as well? Maybe tighten laws on the use of knives?) :tops:

AK47.
Powerful, Classic, Robust, Durable, Easy to use, and Iconic.
This rifle is the gun of the revolutionaries and rebels..... :gun:
It really leaves a impression.

M16?
No thanks.
I don't want ANY M16.
I prefer ACR instead.... (A fine gun, but too modern for Fallout...)

Like that guy have said:

Caliber 7,62mm (AK 47) > Caliber 5,56mm (M16)

All hail AK 47. AK 47, For everyone!! (I'm a AK-47 fanatic :wink_smile:)

*Edit: That's why my cat avatar uses AK-47. See my avatar? Yes, that gun is AK 47.

Yes in a world using laser, pulse, and plasma weapons we really have to worry about a weapon being to modern.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Divergence

So people from the 50's can only imagine futuristic energy weapons, but not futuristic firearms? Check out some weapons used in the first two fallouts.

Well, I was going to bring up a few things but as I read I discovered that a certain white bunny already pointed out a lot of what I was going to say.........

But there are two things that I would like to point out.

1. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that in the desert it is very dry, a.k.a. an absence of water in the air. Water as we all know, when mixed with oxygen and iron creates rust. But being as there is an absence of said water in the air it is very likely that you would find an AR-15/M-16 in fairly good condition, especially since most of the gun is actually aluminum and plastic. A properly stored rifle with a chromed barrel could conceivably be in near mint condition.

2. No one has mentioned either that the M-16/AR-15 series of rifles actually have a bolt cover that closes the receiver to debris when the rifle is not firing. Kinda hard for sand to get in there if there's no way to get in. Now, if you pop that flap open, pull the bolt back, and poor a handful of sand into the chamber there are gonna be a few problems.

Neither.

Give me my http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_ACR :rock:

AK.

I would choose the secret 4th option which is the Lever-Action Rifle.

Agreed

All guns are great, some people aren't.

If we didn't have guns, we'd go back to swords and spears, and if we didn't have those, sticks and rocks.

agreed, saying guns kill people is like saying forks makes people fat or cars make people drive drunk.

No fair! There's no option for the M14.

or for a shotgun

Kiebler is referring to the classic "failure to stop" drill. Professional military personnel always aim for the chest first. Even if a person is wearing body armor capable of stopping the rounds, two gunshots to the chest will stagger them and abate the threat from them while you put the one round in their head. It is human nature to stop and check that we are okay after getting shot (even if we are wearing body armor) or to seek cover and stop the attack, regardless if actual injury has resulted. Professionals always "double tap", making sure everyone they shoot gets shot twice. If that doesn't work, you move on to the "failure to stop" drill, and repeat as necessary.


There is always less chance of missing and getting shot yourself if you aim for the largest target first (the torso), then aim for the head.

Speaking of medical aid in the wastes, I've always figured Stimpaks were a heavy mix of drugs like morphine, antibiotics, clotting agents, and maybe a little adrenaline, all ready to be injected near the site of a wound.

guns dont kill ppl doofus

Used an M16 for a previous job, and have played around with AK's.

I currently have 5 semi-auto AR's (one is the wife's)... four of which I built from components.

I have one AK. I bought it assembled, but have done work to it.

The AR-15/M16 weapons system is leaps and bounds easier to change out parts on, tear down past normal cleaning disassembly, and is much more prevalent in this country than the AK (Military, Law Enforcement, etc).

I've shot an M16 with irons accurately on man-sized targets out to 500m, and I have one I shoot further with glass. I like the factory sights a LOT better than the AK, longer radius, more precise, better adjustment, etc. Higher velocity, lighter rounds, tighter accuracy, and to be honest I've only had a few failures in all the thousands upon thousands of rounds I've put through the platform... in any environment. Yeah, you can get any weapon to have a failure, and knowing what NOT to do you can help prevent those failures as well. I've put a good 10,000+ rounds through my personal AR's the last few years, so I'm obviously a LOT more comfortable using them. I've actually got about 1,500 (approximately) rounds down an AR right now between cleanings, and I haven't had it malfunction yet... this is also in a grassy environment, and it sits in a safe when it's not at the range. I wouldn't intentionally throw it in the sand, but I wouldn't do that with an AK either.

While I've never had a failure with an AK, I haven't put as many rounds down them. I've seen failures from them, as I have from the M16 platform.

All weapons have failures - they're machines, and they break. Especially when abused. If it leaves the safe, eventually it will have a mechanical issue.

I personally prefer accurate shots over volume of fire, even though at times you NEED that volume of fire. Both weapons systems will put out the wall of lead when needed, but I would trust an M16 to give me the more precise shooting I prefer.

The myth of an AK being invulnerable and the M16 being a Jam-O-Matic are both simply myths. Weapons maintenance is important with ANY weapon if you want it to function reliably, and you can't ignore it if you want to trust it.

Comparing any two weapons systems is always a game of trade-offs, and as per my personal preferences I end up siding with the M16 guys.

But this debate is almost as bad as 9mm vs .45. At the end of the day it comes down to personal preference, the condition it is in, how you maintain it, and how you train. Either will get the job done under most conditions.

:banghead:

I would take either over a pointy stick, though.

I know quite a few people that use motor oil, and grease as lubricants. Sure, they aren't CLP... but it's better than running it dry if you need lube for rails and other contact surfaces, or to help prevent rust/corrosion. My buddy runs ATF on his Sigs.

I make fun of him for it, but it works just fine.

Too much lube attracts dirt and grime, and makes it stick. Over-lubing can be as problematic as not doing it at all.

The rust and corrosion aspect I think would be the MOST problematic in a Wasteland environment. Even overnight I always had light surface rust on my rifle barrel. One of the big differences between AR's and AK's is the fact that AR's have aluminum receivers and some components, while almost every AK I've ever seen is mild steel, or some type of carbon steel sheeting. There is a reason they used to crate stuff up in cosmoline... rust, like on cars, is a cancer on guns.

ETA - Didn't see Grand Cookie's excellent response.

It's a REALLY FINE GUN.
But, the problem is it doesn't fit Fallout (Too bad... :cryvaultboy: )
I will hope for a futuristic, yet 50's stylish fine gun like the ACR.

I don't own an M-16 or a full-auto AK-47, but as an owner of the AR-15 (semi-auto version of the M-16) and several semi-auto AK variants, I would pick the M-16/AR-15 without hesitation. The ammunition weighs half as much, it is more likely to cause massive hydrostatic shock due to the velocity, and the weapon's platform has twice the effective range of the AK-47. If you really work things just right you can get an AK-47 on paper at 300 yards, but with the AR-15/M-16 you can manage 500 yards without a problem and if you use at least 62 grain, particularly higher (75 grain) you can probably manage 600 yards.


I've never had a failure with my AR-15 that was due to the rifle itself, but rather issues of magazine failure or ammunition problems. Using quality magazines (with no-tilt followers) and quality ammunition (not steel case lacquer coated) I have never experienced a problem.