So the conclusion is NO ONE wins I want to recast my vote !

If the NCR wins the battle for the Dam without the courier's interventions they only deal with the NCRCF after they win the battle.




Lore > Speculation

Love when people just throw Lore into a game where the only thing that matters is the player. My speculations as you put it would fall into lore because it's the most obvious things the NCR would do sense the game already has them set up. I'm not saying the NCR is going to build a rocket and blow up the legion from the moon that's speculation what I'm talking about is stuff that is already in game or is the Legion fans the only ones aloud to do that now? I'm beginning to doubt if you actually even played a Pro NCR playthrough.

Just because a group CAN do something doesn't meen they WILL. Saying and doing are two different things, and the worst thing that good can do in the face of evil is not take action.


But look, what is a game other than an interactive story book? The developers have given us a setting, a protagonist, an antagonist (Ulysses or in most playthroughs, the Legion) a storyline, a story arch, a climix....

As I said the last time this thread topic was posted, who here reads Romeo and Juliet and, after reading the ending, decides that Romeo didn't actually die from the poison, and after he awoke, mourned Juliet's death briefly and went on to found the first Montague Space Flight Program? Nobody does that, because it's completely illogical with what evidence the story itself has provided us. There are NO hints saying that Romeo survived and no form of hint or foreshadowing suggesting he would meet a different fate.

It's the same thing here. Time and time and time again, the game gives us hints that tell us that the Legion is organized and has their [censored] together, while the NCR is corrupt and unorganized. We know Benny would be caught by the Legion. We know Mr. House would be stuck in the Lucky 38, and would run into the issue of having to find someone who could do everything the Courier can AND get the proper attention of the Legion; keep in mind the Courier's replacement would not only have to be capable of doing all the work, but he'd have to make a good impression with the Legion to have the opportunity to act.

The Legion however is organized. The Second Battle at Hoover Dam with a Legion playthrough is easy as cake. Both sides of the President's arrival at Hoover Dam show us that the Legion WOULD be able to replace the Courier for that job, and the NCR WOULD fail to protect the President. The Legion isn't neccesarily incapable of taking Forlorn Hope (we don't know because they haven't tried), but the NCR can't take Nelson. The Legion advances throughout the player's gameplay (Nipton, Ranger Station Charlie, Camp Searchlight) whereas the NCR captures nothing. The NCR's most powerful military force, the Rangers, is led by an old man who seeks to sabotage the NCR's occupation of the Mojave, a plan that he's willing to die for, along with his Rangers.

If we were to look at the game as a work of literature, it heavily, HEAVILY implies that the Legion would win. It would be completely anti-climactic for everything leading up to the Second Battle to suggest the Legion's victory, and then for anyone else to win with ease.

I never said the Legion wouldn't win. I said that the NCR is a lot better off then what they keep saying.

Good sum up of the current Mojave and the movements within (Y)