there is only one cure for this. having a sense of humor.

just kidding. but seriously they arent cannon so who gives a crap

Same could be said for the Wild Wasteland encounters eh? I'm happy it's staying optional.

Yep alot of people love it and alot of people don't, that is why they made it a trait. Point is it's punishing those that like FO2's humor. It will handicap my character creation. I want to see it so I will have to pick it, this means I will only be able to pick one other trait. Sould just be a toggle.

To some people those are supposed to be the F1/F2 references in a literal sense, but not to me anyways.

IMO (imo), this is all a bit odd and silly.
This is effectively 'retconing' the game to optionally censor out an intrinsic aspect of the entire series because the publisher is worried that some players might not like it.
(Whatever happened to "Don't like it? Tough! don't play our game then; we built it that way because we wanted to, and that's the way it is."?)

Would someone ~(including any developer), care to explain to me how this is fundamentally different from say... altering a Wizards of the Coast D&D game so that mages and spellcasting are lore optional, because some players are offended by references to magic? (I have actually played games like that where they went to great lengths to change magic into science and chemistry ~where your Doctor PC flings a vile acid at the enemy instead of the wizard casting a spell)

**Am I wrong in the general assumption that these days its likely to find players taking up a new game, and wanting it to be changed to suit their personal tastes (even if its contrary to the established game or series)? When (I guess I mean, "what year"), did that start to matter to developers? I thought game makers made games that they wanted to make ~not that Game making was become a service industry.
( Especially if the studio is self funded )

The wiki says this trait has no penalty but I thought traits had an advantage and a disadvantage?

Are you comparing the importance of non-canon pop culture references to fallout with the importance with magic in a fantasy rpg?



I'll raise you 500% in the spirit of New Vegas gambling.

I agree with Gizmo. I don't like it when Devs water down certain aspects of the game to pander to people.

Kinda like deciding whether or not to bang that [censored] from across the street. Either leave it out or stick it in. There's no halfway.

They are supposed to... Traits affect the core game rules (in previous the previous Fallouts), and they all come with a trade off.

**Perks are just that.. perks (Special considerations and changes that effectively are no different than a mild cheat). :shrug:


No. I am asking what is the fundamental difference between changing or obscuring references to magic in a series known to have it; and changing or obscuring traditional aspects of Fallout's humor by making it optional. These things are similar to me ~and seem to distill down to the same line of reasoning.

:lightbulb: ... Imagine if Orks were changed /and or obscured in several games due to some finding offense at it... (as certain drugs recently have)

@gizmo so what's the penalty for wild wasteland trait?

the random encounters it activate arent always beneficial.

like once you may find a cool weapons.

but another could lead to your death

Sounds really neat :fallout:

The difference is that magic and lore is an integrated aspect of the D&D setting, the over abundant fourth wall breaking pop culture joke encounters of Fallout 2 are not integrated into the Fallout setting... they're not recognized as canon. If you were talking about Bethesda/Obsidian removing the retro fifties approach to Fallout because people wanted everything modernized you'd have a point.

That's not it... I did not mention Fallout 2; (or Canon).

I'm merely pointing out the difference between removing pop culture special encounters and magic.

That sounds pretty awesome...still holding out on it untill my thrid playthrough however.

Yeah, well I wrote the comment early in the morning, so cut me some slack for not being able to see your sarcasm. There's lots of people that come on this board, unfamiliar with anything [Fallout related] outside of Fallout 3 and ask questions like this, so it's become second nature for me to just read them and answer them and move on.

The 80 foot mechanical Terantula.

Or was that from the trait the Wild Wild Wasteland?

I'm having terrible movie flashbacks as we speak..

It.. Hurts.

I'm looking forward to using this trait...but not until the second play through. Honestly,the game sounds "wacky" already!

They call this "replay value"