yeah but consoles are gonna meet the DRM hammer soon so the second hand sales perk will be a thing of the past.. paints an interesting picture for future of consoles.. could be very good or very bad

But how else are we supposed to legitimately [censored] about it's mediocrity?

Why are people so angry about this?The DLC isn't something as interesting as the Fallout ones.Under no circumstances am I paying for a $20 DLC that has no good reviews to begin with.I could easily read/watch what happens.When the Steam sale comes:

Dawnguard-$2

Then I will buy.

What do you want them to say? "Sorry, we do not know the release date yet", yes I can see that having a big effect on things, they can just say that everyday till they know. The fans will just feel so loved. When they have a release date we get to hear it.

i approve this message that way we at least get it cheaper for waiting lol

They get far more money from Microsoft Windows than Xbox 360 sales and Kinnect,, 67 million Xbox vs 600 million Windows 7!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-30-worldwide-xbox-360-sales-hit-67m-3m-ahead-of-ps3

http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/06/microsoft-windows-7-sales-600-million/

Well somehow I sincerely doubt his plan works, I mean....

"Hey Todd can we release Dawnguard on PC and PS3? Like, now?"
"Uhhhh....why Pete?"
"Some kid on twitter was rly rly mean to me!!!"
"Oh ok, then I guess that means we should release it ASAP."

I wonder what kind of console would apple make.

No they are not. Its already been ruled on in a court of law in the EU. You the consumer are legaly entitled to sell or gift of any game you own.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/07/03/eu-court-you-should-be-able-to-resell-digital-software

well I live in the US so.... still open game here

BAaaaaah! I cannot believe I am having to delete Skyrim off my SSD to make room for Borderlands wow. Like I wouldn't delete the game out of just being pissed.. per say. I actually have no reason to keep it on my SSD, like we may not get the DLC for months

I was joking, I couldn't really care less anymore.

One with a bunch of impractical features that look cool while the system itself has limited practical convenience.

Doesnt matter, MS and Sony are international companies. If a major region rules part of the intent illegal they can not implement it in that region in any shape or form. It makes no sense to then force it on other regions who could very well challenge it in open court and win easily off the back of the EU directive as precedent. It could even lead to massive damages payouts towards retailers for monopolising the market, as did the browser and media player wars.

Harassment and threatening them and their stock value/investors pretty much is the only thing that gets developers and publishers to budge nowadays.

They won't do anything unless they think their ass or their paycheck is on the line.

Recent examples: Bioware, 343 Industries, CAPCOM, Infinity Ward, EA and Activision.........

There's a difference between childish harrassment and overwhelming disatisfaction among the players.

You realise that harrasemant is an offence and that Twitter can and will give up your IP/Email/Name and address to law enforcement?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18990253


All that guy did was spoof and make gags and his identity is getting handed out. Anyone thinking its OK to harrass someone they dont even know about a computer game and its content release is frankly an idiot. And if people like Howard ever decided to pack up and leave twitter or even take some of those idiots to court and sue them for harrasment I would laugh my ass off and doff my hat to Howard and any others suing, because the harrasment tards deserve it.

Before making a fuss about all this,

Dawnguard itself has a lot of bugs..just fixing those bugs take time..how do you think Beth will do 2 things at once?Let them fix the game first then start the porting...I just believe Dawnguard is not ready yet for any platform.

Remember,the content for this is much more than the DLCs they gave us on FO3..so that means extra time to fix everything.

Quick start sending their stockholders to sithis one at a time until they release Dawnguard.

Oh, they aren't fixing the bugs. I can almost assure you of that...

I can guarantee you no bugs will be fixed when the PC/PS3 version is finally released.

Yes, but look at it this way: There's more money to be had by forcing consumers to buy TWO products instead of one. That's Microsoft's aim. They want people to buy their OS and whatnot, but they also want them to buy their game consoles. The PC market is relatively secure for them, so they're focusing on glamorizing their consoles to make you want to buy them in addition to the PC you already have.

I didn't mean the 360 makes them more money than the PC does. I meant that they make more money forcing you to get both, rather than just getting the PC.


Nice. Glad to see that consumer rights are being upheld more now that digital distribution is becoming the norm for selling content.

I agree and in some other ways, disagree.

I think given the amount of bugs Dawnguard had (the europeans had new armors, weapons and enemies that were invisible because the textures weren't there ffs), people SHOULD'VE known better and expected delays.
Likewise....this is Bethesda. I don't think a single one of us truly believes it'll come out flawless with no bugs. And I don't mean that as "we prefer bugged to non-bugged with delays," I mean that like I have absolutely no faith in them to deal with all the bugs. Patch 1.7 and the fact that manual user-created patches are superior to Bethesda's? Kinda makes it clear they don't put a whole lot of effort into their patches.

More importantly, they should've prepared better.
They did two weeks of beta-testing, most beta testers tell us Bethesda didn't fix JACK.
They did beta-testing exclusively for english-speaking Xbox users. Lo and behold, EVERY SINGLE FOREIGN LANGUAGE VERSION is massively bugged to the point of being unplayable upon release. And that's just the Xbox version...
The DLC has been officially out for a month and they still didn't get anything together, despite knowing that PS3 has some issues with their engine since the time of New Vegas DLCs (a little over a year ago) and that the PC UI is horriawful due to the game being an Xbox port. Despite this, it seems like no one at Bethesda bothered to prep Dawnguard for release to PS3 and PC, and instead it's as if they took their sweet time to get to bug testing for them.


So yes, people should be mindful of the fact that bugs take time, but let's not kid ourselves. Bethesda has and always will do an outrageously [censored] and unprofessional job of stomping bugs, and they SHOULD do better. That's why there's an Unofficial Morrowind Patch, that's why there's an Unofficial Oblivion patch, that's why there's user-created patches for Skyrim.

You cant make and verify a patch in less than two weeks, in some cases it can take a few months if there are bad bugs. The FIGS issue was outwith the DLC which is why it required a patch, as far as I am aware it was the 1.6 patch that caused the problem with the FIGS mismatch.

Yes but they fixed it in two weeks, did they not?
And that's not an excuse anyways, as they themselves control the release date. If they knew they couldn't produce a patch within two weeks....then delay the release? Or hell, start the beta earlier?