PS3PC RELEASE DATE EPIC SAGA...PART 7!

Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:14 pm

You realise that harrasemant is an offence and that Twitter can and will give up your IP/Email/Name and address to law enforcement?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18990253


All that guy did was spoof and make gags and his identity is getting handed out. Anyone thinking its OK to harrass someone they dont even know about a computer game and its content release is frankly an idiot. And if people like Howard ever decided to pack up and leave twitter or even take some of those idiots to court and sue them for harrasment I would laugh my ass off and doff my hat to Howard and any others suing, because the harrasment tards deserve it.

There is a difference between harassing by being obscene and insulting, and harassing by constantly asking the same question over and over and over and complaining over and over and over and making sure all they ever hear is things relating to that question.

The former is an offense and taken to court. The latter, particularly in regards to paid product, and particularly in this case (which would fall claim to suspicion of bias and favoritism in receiving services and information relating to a paid product) would get laughed out of court if they tried to do anything about it, as long as the questions/harassment weren't threatening bodily harm or being obscene. Hell, it would probably lead to a court ordering the person in question to release the information/product or an explanation.

In short - threats/obscene harassment = bad. Filling Twitter and Bethesda's mail with endless "Where is PC/PS3 Dawnguard?" questions, letters and tweets = fine.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:40 pm

I wonder how many 360's were sold over a PS3 because of the DG exclusive, f someone is interested in Skyim and what Dawnguard is all about & they do not have any gaming platform they are going to buy a 360. I would, but there is no way in the world I would buy a console unless I was going to get into fighting games again.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:47 pm

Before making a fuss about all this,

Dawnguard itself has a lot of bugs..

Heh, why am I not surprised. . .
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:52 pm

Yes, but look at it this way: There's more money to be had by forcing consumers to buy TWO products instead of one. That's Microsoft's aim. They want people to buy their OS and whatnot, but they also want them to buy their game consoles. The PC market is relatively secure for them, so they're focusing on glamorizing their consoles to make you want to buy them in addition to the PC you already have.

I didn't mean the 360 makes them more money than the PC does. I meant that they make more money forcing you to get both, rather than just getting the PC.


No console manufacturer has ever made loads of money off just a console, some stop because of losses ie Sega, your forgetting how much Microsoft make off of Business's and university's and schools with their OS and Office software, which cost alot more than a home license, and they charge for each machine it runs on,

ironically every time Sony sell a Computer or Laptop, they have to give Microsoft money!, it's the software where Microsoft gets the majority of their income, especially when its the worlds most dominant OS,



Nice. Glad to see that consumer rights are being upheld more now that digital distribution is becoming the norm for selling content.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:00 am

There is a difference between harassing by being obscene and insulting, and harassing by constantly asking the same question over and over and over and complaining over and over and over and making sure all they ever hear is things relating to that question.

The former is an offense and taken to court. The latter, particularly in regards to paid product, and particularly in this case (which would fall claim to suspicion of bias and favoritism in receiving services and information relating to a paid product) would get laughed out of court if they tried to do anything about it, as long as the questions/harassment weren't threatening bodily harm or being obscene. Hell, it would probably lead to a court ordering the person in question to release the information/product or an explanation.

In short - threats/obscene harassment = bad. Filling Twitter and Bethesda's mail with endless "Where is PC/PS3 Dawnguard?" questions, letters and tweets = fine.

It doesnt work that way at all. You are not contacting a company for an refund or replacement or support for the problem. Its harrasment full stop no matter the reason because you are targetting an individual and not the company he works for. Its an offence to do so, even if questions are inane and harmless. He would be well within his rights to sue and would win it with twitter logs showing the scale of the harrasment.

If you want to complain, do it to Bethesda or Zenimax.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:20 am

Zenimax
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:23 am

Yes, but look at it this way: There's more money to be had by forcing consumers to buy TWO products instead of one. That's Microsoft's aim. They want people to buy their OS and whatnot, but they also want them to buy their game consoles. The PC market is relatively secure for them, so they're focusing on glamorizing their consoles to make you want to buy them in addition to the PC you already have.

I didn't mean the 360 makes them more money than the PC does. I meant that they make more money forcing you to get both, rather than just getting the PC.



Nice. Glad to see that consumer rights are being upheld more now that digital distribution is becoming the norm for selling content.
Microsoft can shove those consoles up their ass until next gen comes out as far as I'm concerned. Unreal Engine 4 is looking pretty nice.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:03 pm

well, if we continue this thread so much and flood twitter and the forums, we will eventually get answers
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:17 am

It doesnt work that way at all. You are not contacting a company for an refund or replacement or support for the problem. Its harrasment full stop no matter the reason because you are targetting an individual and not the company he works for. Its an offence to do so, even if questions are inane and harmless. He would be well within his rights to sue and would win it with twitter logs showing the scale of the harrasment.

If you want to complain, do it to Bethesda or Zenimax.

He would lose because he willingly (or was told by the company) put himself/herself out there, and thus would be considered a representative of his/her (depending on who you're annoying) company and fair game for asking/demanding questions to things like this.

Once you go into the public domain, you're pretty much free game for anything that isn't considered "obscene" or threatening.

And even they wanted to, we (as the gaming community) would just counter with the Twitter/Facebook logs proving that the accounts in question have been used for the very thing we are demanding of them in the past, which would then set precedent and nullify their complaint - because then they would be trying to backtrack on something they allowed and even encouraged in the past.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:33 am

It doesnt work that way at all. You are not contacting a company for an refund or replacement or support for the problem. Its harrasment full stop no matter the reason because you are targetting an individual and not the company he works for. Its an offence to do so, even if questions are inane and harmless. He would be well within his rights to sue and would win it with twitter logs showing the scale of the harrasment.

If you want to complain, do it to Bethesda or Zenimax.

guess how much i care... Hes not going to file harrasment charges over fans causing large amounts of publicity. i doubt he has time for petty harrassment charges
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:04 am

We should just re-enact this scene with a Bethesda employee; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KruMbPfnzec .

Obvious dark humor intended.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:56 am

I have bad feeling that a lock is coming.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:00 am

I have been playing Elder Scrolls since Arena, played all of them, and any expansions/DLC that released, all on day 1 at full price. The PC gave Bethesda their start, they were never really known till the Elder Scrolls series. Now I feel like Bethesda have basically spit on their PC fans. I'm fine with timed exclusives for a reasonable amount of time, but saying that the DLC is not annouced for the PC platform, it a joke. I sure hope MS pay enough money to cover the loss in revenue and then some from their PC/PS3 customers, including the loss of revenue from losing customers for good. I know for me, I have decided I will still buy Elder Scrolls games, but I will no longer pay for them at full price, I will wait for Steam sales. So yes I am annoyed with how they are treating their fans, but not annoyed enough to never buy their games, but I will wait til they are 50% off to buy them. I only buy 4-6 full priced games per year, and Elder Scrolls have always been at full price when they released, but now they have been degraded down to waiting till Sale status.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:41 am

I have bad feeling that a lock is coming.
I said during the first week dawnguard came out that if dawnguard does not come out at least on the 31st or early august people are going to start getting upset/angry and what do we see here in this topic?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:41 am

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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:39 am

This whole saga has alienated both me and my girlfriend.

Not only are we disgusted at being treated like 2nd rate customers (know what customers are? We're the ones that allow you to keep making games) by this super, ultra lame release window (taking lessons from Hollywood) with PC as an after thought...

I was playing Elder Scrolls on PC LONG, LONG before XBox was a thought in Bill Gate's head (he didn't actually think of it anyway)... and now, PC (who make Bethesda what they are - don't even TRY to deny it) are treated like scum...

Not even a release date....? Seriously?

You should write a new book... "How to lose fans and alienate people"

That's it... there will not be another Elder Scroll game for me.... I'm done with you. Won't buy another game from you and I won't be checking out Elder Scrolls Online now.

I don't appreciate being treated like pond scum...

Learn to treat your customers better... you know... like you did before you got all fat and lazy... back when the customers were busy paying your salaries...
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:52 am

You make me sick Bethesda... Xbox gets dawnguard on june 26th, and the ps3, and pc get it basically on august 26th? And thats the earliest estimated date. Its embarrassing what Bethesda is doing. They had all this time to.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:05 am

This whole saga has alienated both me and my girlfriend.

Not only are we disgusted at being treated like 2nd rate customers (know what customers are? We're the ones that allow you to keep making games) by this super, ultra lame release window (taking lessons from Hollywood) with PC as an after thought...

I was playing Elder Scrolls on PC LONG, LONG before XBox was a thought in Bill Gate's head (he didn't actually think of it anyway)... and now, PC (who make Bethesda what they are - don't even TRY to deny it) are treated like scum...

Not even a release date....? Seriously?

You should write a new book... "How to lose fans and alienate people"

That's it... there will not be another Elder Scroll game for me.... I'm done with you. Won't buy another game from you and I won't be checking out Elder Scrolls Online now.

I don't appreciate being treated like pond scum...

Learn to treat your customers better... you know... like you did before you got all fat and lazy... back when the customers were busy paying your salaries...

I second that notion to the highest point possible. You are 100% CORRECT! SCREW BETHESDA!
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:49 am

Why do I feel like someone is going to start an Occupy Bethesda movement?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:37 am

Why do I feel like someone is going to start an Occupy Bethesda movement?

I can't believe it hasn't happened already...
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:02 am

Why do I feel like someone is going to start an Occupy Bethesda movement?
Lol it wouldn't last very long.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:42 am

I second that notion to the highest point possible. You are 100% CORRECT! SCREW BETHESDA!
You make me sick Bethesda... Xbox gets dawnguard on june 26th, and the ps3, and pc get it basically on august 26th? And thats the earliest estimated date. Its embarrassing what Bethesda is doing. They had all this time to.
This whole saga has alienated both me and my girlfriend.

Not only are we disgusted at being treated like 2nd rate customers (know what customers are? We're the ones that allow you to keep making games) by this super, ultra lame release window (taking lessons from Hollywood) with PC as an after thought...

I was playing Elder Scrolls on PC LONG, LONG before XBox was a thought in Bill Gate's head (he didn't actually think of it anyway)... and now, PC (who make Bethesda what they are - don't even TRY to deny it) are treated like scum...

Not even a release date....? Seriously?

You should write a new book... "How to lose fans and alienate people"

That's it... there will not be another Elder Scroll game for me.... I'm done with you. Won't buy another game from you and I won't be checking out Elder Scrolls Online now.

I don't appreciate being treated like pond scum...

Learn to treat your customers better... you know... like you did before you got all fat and lazy... back when the customers were busy paying your salaries...


SHARE YOU ANGER ON THEIR TWITTER FEED AND TO PETE HINES (VP AND PR MARKETING for BETHESDA) HERE IS THE LINK...
let them know how upset you are...there is power in numbers....they need to know how they are treating us! i already have.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:28 am

Il try this out.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:07 am

Il try this out.

I am not in anyway suggesting harrassment. If they recieve a good number of legit complaints/concerns....it might make them either

A move faster

B get a better understanding of their customers thoughts

C learn from their mistakes and never do this again.


Feedback is also very important for a business to thrive...without customers...there is no business...without business...there is no life
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 pm

This is enough. Settle down. Stop spamming the Dawnguard forums, stop ranting.
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