Psn is choc a block with turd psn games.

Whoa! is this an: Insult Playstation thread, or is this a thread about the possible Honest Hearts delay for PS3 users? Cmon guys.

They really could use some of Microsoft's security systems.

Microsofts security system is a private military they take [censored] too seriously

Ok stop there. Sony actually has better server security than Microsoft. Nothing was even hacked. A bunch of smart idiots figured out a way to access an exploit used by devs for testing.

http://www.ps3trophies.org/news/news-3534-PSN-Restoration-Still-Uncertain--Exploit-Was-Apparently--Known-For-Years-.html

"Rebug is a custom firmware for PlayStation 3 that utilises system software patches to re-enable functionality normally only available through debug consoles. This enables legitimate developers to use placeholder credit card details to buy and download content from the PlayStation Store for testing purposes, but hackers exploited it to steal content, defrauding both Sony and the content creators in the process."

It's been confirmed by multiple sites and sources that Sony's security was up to snuff and using the latest available updates the hackers found a chink in the system as stated above that basically bypassed the security system, flaw yes bad security no.

No they dont, Not gunna start a console war, but Microsoft is known for their security measures while Sony doesnt even work in the Security buisness. Not to say Sony's security is bad, but it's not that of Microsoft.

Why are we discussing software security here of all places? I mean, seriously guys.
Anyway I'm really sorry for PS3 players. I know I would rage if that happened to Steam.

And I know I will rage just as more if they delay other platforms' releases because of this.

Wow chink? Way to be racist I can't believe that isn't censored

Im pretty sure he didn't mean it like that.

I'll punch Chris avellone in the dike if this gets delayed cause of PSN

For all we know they could be using the same security system, and being in the security business doesn't mean you yourself use the best system you would think so but its a matter of cost benefit anolysis, both have suffered breaches, and as stated the method the hackers used didn't get through security it was essentialy a back door into the system a simple oversight Sony never expected anyone to be able to hach the ps3 to begin with let alone create a mod making any ps3 into a dev kit.

So there's no way of getting an actaul hard copy of the honest hearts? I remember they had the dlc hard copys for FO3, but never saw one for Dead Money . Is hard copy dlc a thing of the past?

FO3 had two DLC's for the one disk. So far we have only gotten one DLC which was Dead Money. They may do that but we will have to wait and see.

I hope Sony will pay for are HH DLC or give us some good stuff for taking a ridiculous amount of time on the new PSN. J/K I really hope they just fix PSN, so it's safer and I can buy the upcoming DLC's for Fallout: New Vegas. :fallout:

At the least you guys desreve a discount.

This is not what the hack was. Although this could be true, it is not the hack Sony has been referring to in its press releases. Their network WAS hacked, and Microsoft has yet to be. IIRC Microsoft's downtime back in December of 07 was scheduled maintenance and was not completely inaccessible.

As for Sony's security:

1. I read that information was being stolen from them back in February,
2. They did not have a Chief of Security (really Sony? Your hiring one now?)
3. They took 6 days to tell its customers (they must have had some knowledge of what was being taken, otherwise the whole network wouldn't have been shutdown so quickly)
4. This exploit was known (supposedly it was talked about on [censored])
5. User account details were unencrypted (CC info was supposedly)
6. Although Sony says no banks have reported unauthorized transactions, user comments have revealed some unauthorized transactions have taken place
7. They had information on its servers from 2007 that the hackers were able to easily access (referring to the SOE hack, which is separate from the PSN one I believe)
8. They have had the worst way of communicating with their customers and have failed on their deadlines. They still have no word on when it will be up (ignore the May 31st thing, another executive said that "it will be available as soon as possible, but their are no deadlines")
9. Their rewards program (at least the United States one, the European one seems to be good) is a joke. Offering 30 days of PlayStation Plus is like hanging candy in front of your customers face. It offers them something, lets them download some stuff for free, and to the unknowing, when the 30 days is up, that stuff is no longer playable unless they purchase Plus. It is simply a marketing stint they are proposing.
10. They got pissed off at the people who were pissed off for Sony removing a feature they promoted. When their system was compromised they decided to sue the hackers instead of work on their security, and only when they finally did get hacked did they start working on fixing things.

Now don't get me wrong, I think the hacker is just as much to blame, but Sony as a company, has lost me as a customer. I refuse to buy another one of their products now simply because I see the way they have handled things. Developers are losing money, customers are getting pissed off, and all they can say is "stuff will be back soon, sorry again".

Really did you even read my post it obviously wasn't meant as a racial slur, the word had a meaning before it was used as a racial slur and still does just like cracker.

The Hackers are equally to blame if not more. If someone leaves the bank vault unlocked and you take money from the vault who's the bad guy, it's certainly not the bank/Sony as the only blame they get is for leaving the door unlocked.

Did you read my last sentence? I said the hacker was just as much to blame (guess it was easy to miss though, it was at the bottom :biggrin:). If I take your example though, and the PS3 is the bank, shouldn't Sony have considered shutting it when it was first cracked instead of chasing the "robbers" (hackers) down while it was left open? Like I have said though, the hacker(s) is definitely to blame, but Sony has shown their colors, and I don't like what I see. If my bank was robbed because they left the flippin door open you can guarantee I would switch banks because clearly that one was being run by a bunch of idiots.

True but then why would they have the door unlocked. Regardless hopefully Sony can get this thing figured out and maybe we'll be lucky and it'll be up on the 17th but I'm not optimistic.

Good point. Its more like it was cracked open, THEN Sony left it open while they went and chased down the robbers, instead of shutting it.



As do I my friend, as do I :sadvaultboy:

Mwahaha. XBOX wins again...

Side note: I own both systems.

Damn, so many grammar and context fails up in this [censored]. /popcorn

We win every round :toughninja: