nope, maybe in your fantasy world...

Yeah, this is true. I will say though that I like most games. For some reason though, Skyrim just felt like the biggest let down ever when it comes to games.

Yes, you did. ^

This was reply to OP, I just hate it when people say criticism is wrong, thus the sarcasm, was wanting to add more but closed the tab accidently, I'll elaborate my opinion. Developer love criticism or should, lets look at what happened when they got actual advice and what to improve, Two World 2, whereas the original considered one of the worse games ever, they improved the sequel substantially.

Now, consider if criticism had been forbidden, they would have only had bias website reviews like IGN.

Game company should beg for constructive criticism, the fallacy of them closing because of such is laughable, what is more realistic is they close down because they don't listen.

I hope that makes my opinion little more clear.

i dont hate the game,but i dont have much hope for their future games either.

i just hope the next fallout isnt this shallow.

how that means that the majority opinion means right opinion?
I only said that it got a lot of GOTY awards from various websites and magazines, not that they were right or wrong.
read and comprehension dude, read and comprehension.

Then what is the point of that?

the point is that you said that only spike.tv gave it GOTY while most sites and mags not.
I was trying to let you notice that actually most websites and mags gave it GOTY and only some didn't.
that doesn't mean they are 100% right, but it still means a lot.

Actually, what I said was that the Spike VGAs were the awards that most people consider THE Awards and I acknowledged that there were other awards. You must have read it wrong.

You'd go to a forum because there's a vast amount of people who are using your product, so you can accurately judge what is wrong with it. If 1,000 people say something is wrong, chances are it is.

Reviews are one person's opinion.

Exactly, if you want high and mighty opinions and less of the plebs sure, but note where most your money comes from, the plebs!

Also Roger Ebert isn't flawless and has been wrong about films quite often.

I hereby call out to mods to propose that a thread titled "The Flame Thread" be made and all hate threads get moved to this one epic thread. In this thread you are allowed to absolutely tear Skyrim a new one with bile, spit and venom or whatever your choice.

It's the perfect way for keeping the forum is nice place.

ye that would be bad

Other side of the coin, Reviewers have some more expertise when it comes down to it and usually have a better QA when it comes down to what they publish, unlike forums where everyone can claim to be an expert and 90% of everything is crud.

Ofcourse, Reviewers can be just as biased as any other person or can be forced into giving higher/lower scores because of their magazines sponsors.

That is actually not a bad idea, one thing they would need to keep eye on people attacking one another or elitist attitude.

If I was hater, which I am not, I would focus my hate on those other projects.

This thread is

I hereby call out to all Mods to create a thread titled "The Flame Thread". In said thread you can absolutely tear Skyrim a new one with venom, spit, bile or whatever you choose, and all hate posts would be moved to this one epic thread.

It's the perfect idea for keeping the forum a nice place...

How do reviewers have more expertise? Do they play more games? I think a fan with half a brain cell can do as well as the majority of so called reviewers out there. I agree that a lot of people here speak nonsense, but that is on both sides. I cannot stand people that mindlessly except everything Bethesda puts out and thinks it's brilliant. I honestly don't believe anyone that says they think the game's writing is good...That is not an opinion, that's just being a moron.

*Disclaimer.* Post is not directed at any particular forum member, just a rant.

Would be a fun idea, tough I question how practical is would be.

Ah well, it would be fun to see who would be the person with most posts moved to said topic.

nah, that won't keep flamers and haters to go around every single topic and do their thing

Ranting is fine, I do it all the time.

With expertise, I mostly mean in expressing their opinion, writing it down etc.
They have much more experience with playing games for the sake of writing how they feel about it.

I'm not saying that this makes their reviews suddenly worth more then everyone else their opinions.
But I think we can all agree that we'd much rather read a review magazine for someone opinion on a game then those on forums.

Also, the word "Hater" is unbelievably lame and makes anyone that uses it sound like Justin Bieber.

Oh Lord. As if the word hater was not bad enough do you know have to mention Justin Bieber.

dovakiin hulk is rite, leave JB in hell (or wherever he lives)

That said, it fits in this case.

Every time any game makes adequate changes to improve its core mechanics, die-hard conservationist fans who'd have rathered just seen 5 new rehashes of Daggerfall go all "Herp Derp. It's not Daggerfall so it svcks. Derp."

Games change. Go cry in a corner about it. We'll be playing the damn game. I'm not looking for Daggerfall 5. I'm not looking for the same God damned mechanics, and the same God-damned definitions of "depth". The TES devs aren't getting worse at making their games, they're getting better. Certain people will never take off the nostalgia goggles and see that.

That amuses me.