Underlined: You mean like the guy I quoted was doing?

I assume that was directed at someone else, because at no point in my post did I say that skyrim was without its flaws.

Don't quote me if you have no intention of replying to what I actually said. Read the text, not what you want the text to be.

EDIT: Get off your high horse and stop preaching to everyone that disagrees with you (or in this case, someone you think disagrees with you).

If you really want to go in circles i never said that you said I was wrong ether. Knowing and believing the truth are the same thing it still doesn't mean I'm right.

If I have to give you context for that here goes, a long long time ago people thought the world was flat They believed and knew the world was flat turned out they where wrong and maybe I am to but for now I both Know and Believe what I say to be the truth.

Sorry if I seem rude as well.

I am not trolling.
also you should take your own advise.

However, not all criticism is constructive. A lot of what posters perceive to be improvements are actually simply their own opinions where they think a design decision should have been made in a different way. Sometimes they're right, but more often they're very wrong. There are usually very good reasons why decisions were made in certain ways. Now of course that doesn't mean they shouldn't post their opinions, but just that it's silly to carry on about how flawed the game is, just because you and the developers disagree on how certain aspects of it should have been designed.

There's a point where the sensible thing to do is to acknowledge that it's their game and they are free to design it how they feel it should be designed, just as you are free to not play the game. And when it comes down to it, there are two more reliable ways to judge how worthwhile a game is, other than opinions posted on message boards. The first way is by examining reviews done by experienced and reputable critics. The second, and best way of all, is to look at the people's verdict - how many people bought the game, and how many are playing it. On this last measure, Skyrim has accomplished much.

Debate time.
I cannot agree with you on that. Knowing and believing are two separate things though they may seem to be related. You cannot know something without proof. You can believe something and it can come true, however you still did not know it.

Belief- confidence; faith; trust: You believe the Earth is flat. You have not seen for yourself though.
Know- to have knowledge, or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth. You know the Earth is round. You have been around it and have seen for yourself.

If you know you are right. You are right. How you would know that however would be something that would need to have proof. You can think you know something but if you are later wrong you did not know that thing. In some ways, there are very few things that you can 'know' for sure. That is all I am saying.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

The Truth Is Out There

The fact of the matter with Skyrim is, many aspects of the game are sub-par when you compare them to other games. I think most of the people that really enjoy this game are just into the exploration and combat and care less about the rest. But when it comes to a true good game, those forgotten aspects would have had a lot more attention toward them even if it wasn't the main focus of the game. They advertised Skyrim as if it had something for every type of (RPG) gamer, but when it came down to launch day, they missed the mark.

Its people like you why they would stop making fallout God forbid.

I hope so. Because Bethesda would never make a better Fallout than New Vegas. Even if they have more resources and time.

They will just move on to the next game to hate. Some people just want to light the world on fire to see it burn.

FNV is the best game plublished by Bethesda so let's see what they can do and shut your [censored] mouth before someone else gets a hold of it!

The truth is out there! You want to believe!

Seriously, the rhetoric gets kind of dumb. I don't consider respectfully stated, constructive criticism to make a person a "hater." When I use the term I mean the hyperbolic frothing kind of exaggerated doomsaying that some people engage in. Just as liking the game a lot and not dwelling on its faults does not make one a [term that the forum insists on censoring in silly fashion].

PUBLISHED not developed. Obsidian made Fallout NV and if they had the chance (and a proper amount of time) to make this game, I wouldn't mind if Bethesda PUBLISHED it.

Edit: anyway we're getting a little off topic...

Since Bethesda has secured all rights to Fallout, if they don't make it, no one can. This effectively means the discontinuation of the series.

You may argue that discontiuning the series is better than ruining it but that would just be selfish since there are people who enjoyed Fallout 3. As a matter of fact, more people brought Fallout 3 than Fallout NV and most gamer sites rank NV lower.

i wouldn't mind and new rpg world to explore taking a break from TES wouldn't be that bad..

Yes, it would. The Lore of the World is really all that is holding me atm.

what fallout 3? in my mind fallout 3 was a tech demo and i'm not talking about van buern either... NV was the better game imo... and the last i heard http://www.computerandvideogames.com/271510/new-vegas-beats-fallout-3-debut-sales/ ( i know thats the debut but finding sales that include digital is quite difficult), ... Gamer sites are jokes those are peoples Opinions ( i don't use them at all why should someone else tell me what game is good or not and if i should buy it) but everyone has an opinion...

Hmm thats odd it seems theres a double quote...

If I thought that Bethesda payed any attention to what was said on here I would start a new ANTI STEAM thread every day!!!

I know and it's too bad. If Bethesda ever makes a Fallout 4 or whatever, I'll probably still get it. Now, will I enjoy it? If they totally ignore everything Obsidian did and make another game like Fallout 3, yeah I probably will. But if it is anything like Skyrim, it will be the end of Fallout for me.

Fallout 3 = 7.2 million
Fallout NV = 5.81 million

Source: http://www.vgchartz.com

Yes, everyone had their own opinions. But on an entirely subjective matter such a enjoyment of video game, you can argue until you are blue in the face and no one can win or prove the better. Voting is the only reasonable process and more people have voted for Fallout 3 with their money.

As others have pointed out, sales figures are all the praise a corporation needs.

Somehow I doubt their million dollar feelings are all that hurt.

Bethesda published NV, correct.

Bethesda is also the owner of the Fallout IP. They even were back on their agreement to allow a fallout MMORPG to be made by Interplay, not like they themselves are going to make one.

In others words, Bethesda have you hooked. NV was a one time agreement to get Interplay to sign over the IP. Hate Bethesda as you will, lament the lost of Fallout as you will, there is never going to be an Obsidian fallout again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_Online

True, but sadly there are those one can call haters ion this forum. Namely those who go out of their way to point out the many flaws or even bash the game if it isn't even related to the topic, then fall to petty insults when people don't agree with them.