Over half of the sales for Skyrim happened after launch weekend. It's still one of the most played games on Steam, and the only one of the top ten that doesn't have multiplayer.

ok, I bet YOU are the authority here.
first don't call me fan boy, you don't know me and you never talked to me before so assuming that I'm a fan boy is quite preposterous.
second, not only spike.tv gave skyrim GOTY award, but also a lot more websites and magazines, so think before you speak.

Sales figures don't say anything about the quality of a game of this fame and magnatude. Past fans were obviously going to buy the game. Add all the advertising they were doing and you've got sales.

I addressed that later, usually if people are smart they will consider their next purchase for the sequel a lot more and not buy it on day one, Or you don't buy any DLC to show that you dislike it.
Delayed reaction pretty much.
Then you could complain about you having wasted your money for that game but hey, get over it, everyone buys something bad once in a while.

Of course, to many people are just shallow in that regard and will just pre-order it anyway and then complain they didn't change it or that it got worse.
Usually they will then also proceed to say how the previous game (in this case skyrim) was so much better and did much more things right etc.


Besides, after 2/3 months Skyrim is still in the top played game list, if people REALLY hated it that much I doubt I would be up there now would it?
Face it, the group of people that really dislike skyrim is very small when it comes down to it.
Not that their opinion is worthless, but they aren't as important as some make it out to be.

mainly b/c people mod skyrim to their own liking. not because they are still playing the vanilla version.

This is highly mistaken. sure they need to hear views from all areas, but a forum about the game is one of the first places anyone with brains will look.


No. Once again pure sales or sales success is not enough feedback for any organisation to disregard feedback from others.


No. There can be many facters as to why something is successful.

And this is what will happen if Bethesda and Todd disregard constructive criticism for all quarters.

Now Bethesda, etc are advlts. They can come to this forum, sift through dross or silly comments like `This game suxxor5!1!` And read the actual helpful stuff they find.

I`m pretty sure they like praise, but are also aware that cronstructive criticism is just as important too.

They won`t look at this forum, see someone complaining and go crying to mummy cos it`s not nice like some of you think. they`re not children or babies.

One last reason why Tes Forumers are important, especially those of us who`ve followed them from the early games- We are an example of waht started their games off and made them survive. We may have just the kind of clue to the magic that made rpgs work. Of course, if Bethesda are no longer interested in rpgs then I guess we are no longer of any worth to them and indeed they are no doubt ignoring everything we say. It sure feels like it.

If that`s the case then the Elder Scrolls games are finished as RPGs. perhaps they were finished from the moment Oblivion came on the scene.

We`ll see with their no doubt inevitable sequel.

Did you read my post correctly or did you just skim through it in an effort to spew your next retort? I wasn't calling you a fan boy, I was using that to describe the kind of people earlier in the post. I already aknowledged the magazines and websites but there were also some that didn't give Skyrim an award.

And you can back that up with... what?

If we look at the numbers, we can see that the most popular mods on Steam Workshop have around 7,000 subscribers. Which is a little over 10% of the number of people playing Skyrim at any one time on Steam. This doesn't take console players or people who play in offline mode into account.

If I'm creating a film and I'm looking for intelligent, well-written critiques, should I go to a forum, or should I read Roger Ebert's column?

If I'm creating a game and I'm looking for intelligent, well-written critiques, should I go to a forum, or should I read all my reviews??

Most mod users haven't or won't use Steam Workshop. Nothing against it, its just they are probably accustomed to using third party sites like skyrim.nexusmods.com

you mean "some"

almost everyone gave it GOTY

Nexus shows similar numbers (8,000 unique downloads for their most popular mod). Even if we're really generous and just add the Nexus and Steam numbers together, we get less than 20% of the number of people playing Skyrim right now at this very minute on Steam.

What ua seless topic though. I mean, if you like Skyrim fine. If you don't then don't play. It's not like anyone's going to come to a widely accepted consensus that the game is ultimately good or bad. Arguing on the Internet is stupid because everyone's already made up their mind.

this drives haters mad tho...LOL
considering they have so much time to waste bashing a game in its forum why not?

Having read some of Ebert's recent reviews compared to the user reviews I'd actually go to a forum. The man misses major plot points that the supposed yahoos understand perfectly. IMO a bad example. Go with the forums if the game critics are as clueless as most of the movie critics who thank goodness are becoming less relevant.

they don't care about our hate they care about the millions of $ the game has made them so i woulden't worry about it....

I doubt that They don't place vallue in the veterans and their opinions, heck it's one of the main reasons this forums Exists.
Als I'm sorry but I didn't mean to imply that sales outweighs everything else when it comes to feedback, I just wanted to say that when it comes down to it that it is a greater factor in the equitation then most other sources of feedback.

and heck, there is more then enough constructive feedback on these forums, polite, to the point and very good feedback.

But that's what this topic is about, people who try to write feedback, and instead just seem to insult anyone who disagrees.
Cry how they where abandoned as loyal fans and how their opinions are not taken for the shining piles of gold as they imagine it to be.
etc.

The so called 'haters'.

Sometimes we as people might go a bit to far in trying to leave feedback and critism.
But these people are not even trying to be polite, to have an open mind or to even believe they might be actually wrong.

Sometimes I think they actually post like that because they think it's fun.....



Also, since these days anything with RPG elements can be called an RPG (Mass effect for example) I doubt TES will soon become and Adventure game or something.
Sure it's no longer the pen & paper inspired RPG it used to be, but It's far from stopping to be an RPG.

Majority Opinion =/= Right Opinion
And before you go saying anything about MY opinion, listen closely.

My opinion about this game: Terrible lore, most armor looks stupid, the music svcks, weapons look boring, argonians and khajit look stupid and all elves look like aliens, magic is too restrictive.

FACTS about this game: The writing is not well done, there isn't a "role" for every type of player, there isn't a play style for every type of player, textures are low resolution for a 2011 game, RIDDLED with bugs at launch. I can't think of any more at the moment.

Oh how I adore fallacies.

So we're not allowed to criticize a game with flaws, because of this 1 in a million shot...

That is just one mod though. Nexus released the number and they had over 600,000 unique downloads across all mods.

when exactly did I say that the majority opinion means right opinion? idk, probaly never.
that's what you can expect from an average hater, he doesn't even have arguments, so he tries to drag you in a made up argument...sad 'nuff

speakin of facts: the game has one of the best graphics around (on console, especially on the 360), I ain't got any bugs and playing since launch, the writing isn't bad at all.

Funny when I look I get way different numbers on Nexus. SkiUI for example has roughly 322,000 unique downloads and roughly 822,000 total downloads. Much larger numbers.

You were just using the number of fans as an example of how good the game is.

You are alowed to criticse and give feedback, heck, isn't that why these forums are here?

What you are not allowed to do... or at least asked to please not do because it's annoying, is to spit acid and hate, be completely unreasonable and act like a complete and utter dike while delivering said feedback.
It's especially annoying that some people do it in every single post even if the topic in question has nothing to do with it.

TES could have been flawless. And there would still be complaints about story lines, game not hard enough, the colors are off, textures arn't right, this is nerfed, that is nerfed. Many complaints were legit, but the facts are, there are those who will never be satisfied unless they are snivelin.