I played Oblivion and i played FO3 and i was really looking forward to this game and it is rubbish. So disappointing it's unreal.

The poor character customisation is the same.
The graphics are the same.
The boring itemisation is the same.
The same guy doing practically all the voice acting is the same.
The annoying glitches like getting stuck behind doors and mobs getting so close you can't hit them are the same.
The blood boiling navigation of the Pip Boy is the same.
The frustrating map where you have to remember where locations are to find it again them amongst all the other locations is the same.

Then they added the pointless crafting, pointless gambling and pointless card collecting and the pointless companions...

...oh and lets not forget the factions to add some variety and freedom of choice. Or not. They all give the same bloody quests! I don't want to kill x, so i'll go with that other faction. Oh - they want me to kill x too?! Are you for real? I'll try this faction instead... oh wow, x is really unpopular...

...and then they took away any motivation for proceeding in the game.

FO3 - Your father does a runner with a big secret and you want to find him. Ok, there i see the motivation.

NewVegas - Someone tries to kill you and fails and runs off with someone elses item. And...? He failed, so what? Who cares. He got what he wanted, end of. It doesn't make sense for them to be tracked down. Maybe if they killed a loved one, but they didn't. No motivation at all.

And then, you know what happens? You put 40 hours into a game and your just about managing to trudge without any particular aim and a quest glitches meaning that you can't continue how you wanted to. Yay. Pile of crud.

Sorry you feel that way. I disagree though.

How do you mean?


What did you expect? They got 2 years to create the game, not like they had time to upgrade the engine or get a new one and start from scratch.


:huh:


What? :huh:


Crafting and gambling isn't pointless, and companions are pointless how?


Agree.



Revenge?
Maybe complete the delivery?
Maybe wanting to find out why you were shot for a chip?


Uh-huh, that's because the ending sliders have to make sense.

100% Agree
Main quest is also way to short.

Sounds like you don't care for the game. That happens sometimes.

How is it you 'liked' Fallout 3, and yet you're complaining that there are features that returned?

Also, blood boiling navigation? Clicking the shoulder button left or right is THAT painful to you?

1 Some people expect a new game to be completely new with everything. Don't really understand that myself, if one has a winning concept then go with it. :shrug:

2 Don't PC share the same menu type with console?

Yup, the Colonel's got a point.

Also, how is crafting pointless? I assume you mean weapon mods, which add scopes, lessen the weight, add more ammo, silence the weapon... how is that pointless?

I thought he meant cooking and bullet recycling.

New Vegas does get boring faster than Fallout 3 did.

How is it you dislike FONV but liked FO3? They have the same graphics, which you dislike. They both have glitches, which you dislike.

You appear to be contradicting yourself.

Ah, well that makes sense then. I quite like the survival aspect and being able to make ammo/doctors bags/weapon repair kits (essential for me, no jury rigger yet), but they aren't essential to the game, I suppose.

I am pretty sure he means he disliked it because it was too much like a game he already played/graphics he already experienced. That why he dislikes them. He enjoyed them the first time in FO3 but dislikes them in NV since its the same. Get it?

What, seriously?

"Get it?" ~ no.
"Realize that its true?" ~ yes

Some of those cons are pros, and some I don't have a clue what they mean. The one about the pipboy (technical details aside), is odd to me, because its a preexisting artifact, and he seems to want it to behave differently than it did previously ~but if it did... then how could it be a preexisting artifact?

Can someone with much experience explain me why people prefer FO3 over NV??

That eliminates me... I've not played NV past the NCR outpost yet.
(But I did play the three numbered games and FO:Tactics ~and so far I prefer NV to FO3. :shrug:)
**Except that FO3 does not use Steam ~point goes to FO3. :ribbon:

If graphics solely determines your sense of fun in a game, then I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy the little cheap games out there with retro graphics. But everyone has their taste differently. Some are influenced by the media of 5 years ago when it was all about pushing graphics. I personally don't feel like the same graphics is ruining my entertainment level. I can't see how it does since both games have very different settings.

Personal taste perhaps?

That would be like explaining why some people prefer a new york strip to a ribeye steak. :shrug:

Npw i get it, its like explaining why some fans prefer FO1 over FO2

People prefer those games because they were FALLOUT. They were hard and almost every decision mattered.

I have a Cuda enabled Nvidia card, and a quad core processor... I would be overjoyed if someone made a game that used 90% of my system's resources on AI and had a graphics overhead on par with Nethack or Adom ~or even Avernum, Buck Rogers, and the like. Heck... Diablo an SVGA game like Diablo but with a modern state of the art Chatbot dropping in and out of character(s), and having internet access to Google and Wikipedia to supplement it's reference material (and freedom to build a multi gig database of player actions and behavior; NPC opinions and hurt feelings, disappointments, grudges, and guesses). A Fallout game where you can lay mines in a cave to to clear out bandits, then return a month later to find that a few townsmen from nearby were exploring the bandit lair and stepped on one of your forgotten land mines, and you can accept the job from the town Sheriff to find the culprits responsible. A game where you cross a man's field and get attacked by his dog, and later in town find out that the Sheriff owned the farm and was examining the firearms of all drifters and malcontents in the town to compare to the bullet he pulled from his dog.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

He didn't say why they prefer Fallout and Fallout:2 to Fallout:3 and NV. He is talking about folks preferring the first one over the second one. Like I did. I loved Fallout. I was less than happy with Fallout:2. So we don't have to go back into the age old discussion about how those first two "are Fallout" and these are not. It's a discussion for another thread but has nothing to do with what Dario Meza said. He was comparing the first two not with any future ones. :shrug:

Yeah it would be nice if the game had better graphics as it progresses forward, I secretly would like to see Call of Duty graphics in Fallout 3. Of course it'll never happen with how different the engines are. But you get my point. I don't dislike higher graphic games, I just don't mind lowering graphics for increased game play entertainment. We all in one way or another, would like to play fallout in a new better engine with better graphics but most of us are fine with the current one. Sure it's not totally realistic but RPGs have a long history of neglecting graphics or realism and focus more on game play. I would hate to have a fallout game where graphics are on par, but the game play or replay value is significantly reduced.

Prime rib is better than ribeye or New York strip. Oh... What I would give for prime rib and horseradish sauce. So tender, so succulent, so tasty.

More on topic though...

It would be extremely time consuming and difficult to remake everything about a game to make a sequel if you wanted to continue the series. Obsidian used what they were given to make the game and were able to make it accessible in a reasonable amount of time. I think they did a good job.

As for claiming that many of the game's content is pointless, I just don't know what to say. I found just about everything in the game to be exceedingly useful.



I agree. There is definitely a divide in the gaming community regarding graphics. However, if I was part of the 'graphics need to be cutting-edge' group, I wouldn't be gaming on a console (Xbox 360) and I wouldn't have loved Deus Ex. Deus Ex had horrible graphics but it was so much fun...