this reminds me of the riots in france a couple years back when the government wanted to get rid of some of the onerous and frankly ridiculous jobs laws that made firing people darned near impossible. a years pay after your fired........seriously?

Only specific firearms for hunting, otherwise no.

They don't allow you to carry knives, IIRC, to cut down on knife-related crimes.

Nope. Doesn't stop people getting them through over metheds ofcourse. Honestly I don't think citizens with guns would make this any better.

Only people with guns are farmers and wealthy shooters with their shotguns, and gang members.

This is one of the times when you need an overly patriotic militia with guns who are tired of thefts
and will kill people to defend there homes

I don't think a three way gun fight erupting up between rioters, citizens and the police will benefit anyone.

Oh for [censored]s sake. How about you stop defending them. people like you are part of the problem. Their actiosn got them where they are. They had an oppertunity, if they didnt take it, their problem. It motivated lots of people to do well and stay on, no its their choice. Stop defending them.

Nope, just a way to keep them away from cilised people and make them repay for what they have damaged. Becuse there is no other way they will pay the country for it.

The UN can go [censored] itself. They can call it what they want, if Britian wanted to cut them out of the benefits who the [censored] are the UN to force us to keep them ? "We are democratic, in a sense that you do what we tell you."

But hey you seem to like these guys, write a letter to you local politician asking to take them in, im sure our country wont miss them, remember to treat them well when they act like savages.

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Your blood pressure will thank you.

well by law your required to have a gun in texas by the time your 10 years old and it must be at least a .45. 9mm are actually illegal in texas because they dont allow panzy guns in that state. i dont recall any riots like this happening in texas even when they won superbowls waaaaaay back in the 80s.

I'm not defending them or their actions. I'm merely dissecting the causes to the riots and how to prevent further riots in the future.

Again, I'm not defending them or their actions, no matter how moral or just they or anyone else perceive them.

The cause is greed/stupidity/them being failures at life, the cuase of that is them choosing to piss about instead of learning, to do stupid illogical [censored] that is counter productive (e.g [censored]ing about their financial situation then ruining the local economy) and the cause of that is just them as people. They chose not to learn, they chose instant gratification over long term, they thought "hey I dont need a job, I can live off the tax payer". You want us to motivate them, we can by cutting thier benefits. But nooo thats inhumane too. What do we do then ?

They cause is down to them, who they really are. Society cant change them. If they dont want to learn, they donw want to learn.

he's not defending the rioters
he is defending the right to be killed humanly and not in a concentration camp

Lol. It's not the killing I'm opposed too, let's just be more gentlemenly about it . Labour camp then, they can build some stuff for us, work off their debt to society through labour that no real human being wants to do.

or just yeah know arrest them all, revoke there citizenships and deport them

Where too?

africa, or make them join the french foreign legion

<_< Lol, how is that any more humane than a labour camp? Literally selling them off to the French Army or dumping them in a foreign country... how Castro of you .

I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF SELLING THEM!
how about we mix our ideas
they build homes and farms for the african populace for the french?

For your post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

The mine thing was a joke. I agree with forcing them to work without pay, just safer conditions. No he wason about why people were rioting, not about how they die.


Yeah deport those natives... To uh... Yeah I will get back to you.

Yeah becuase dropping them off in a hostile place is much more humane. The Africans have enough problems without whiney spongers who will burn things.

Well to be honest I perceive this as not only a failure of government, but more of basic human nature. The rioters aren't limited to a certain ethnic or social group. You see people of every ethnicity and judging by some of the clothes and jewelry I would also say even people from middle class families, so you can't say it's just the poor or underprivileged that have been failed by the government that partake in this.

What's more striking is that almost all the rioters are generation Y or at most generation X. What I perceive is just a general apathy and even hints of decadence rising in the younger generation, along with moral degradation. That's what in my eyes can lead to these kind of outbursts and I don't believe this is limited to the UK, but something that in theory could occur in many western countries. Not much different (even though far more horrifying) than the wanton digital destruction that lulzsec performed under false excuses, just like here is the case.
These generations simply have archived and fought very little compared to our forefathers. And it's not their fault really because the western world has archived a certain apex where conflict and hard work for your livelihood are undesirable.

If you've ever read Edward Gibbon, it's overall similar attributes that the roman empire displayed in it's later stages. Not to say that western civilization is going to crash and burn in the same manner, but you see parallels between civilizations that reach a global apex.

People should take refuge in the Tower, if they can, like they used to during riots in London. It's a fortress for heaven's sake!


Then the collapse is near, and the next Middle Ages are coming.

Awesome.

You don't think that society itself affects its individuals? That the cause might actually lie within the structure of society? Because it would be very rare indeed that all of the rioters would make the same independent* choice.

*Independent as in not affected by society or the environment.

that's not why the French riots took place, it was more about racism and youth from the suburbs feeling excluded from French society... it's pretty hard to "get a year's pay after you're fired" when people won't hire you in the first place because of your foreign name and your suburb address. :shrug:


Just like in France I think the riots in England reveal an underlying problem in western European societies... what is the real problem hidden behind these riots I don't know but I find them very disturbing.

Indeed, this is the real issue here. Not the political blame gaming that's inevitably going to occur afterwards. Most youths are desensitised and apathetic, I mean it goes both ways I'm just about 18 and baying for these peoples blood as much they are wanting to destroy our world. There's just a general aire of low morals, downloading illegal music and software because they can - regardless of it's illegality - I've heard the "It's okay to steal from those who it won't affect like big corporations" card being thrown around too. Property is property, it's the foundation of our world; either respect it or [censored] off.