According to BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

One guy did. He died sometime yesterday/ last night. Wasn't shot by police was killed by what I presume was rioters. Unless the murderer is using this as a distraction that is.

Where Communism has its benefits.

Yup. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12740904

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Speaking of this, UK would be extremely vulnerable to a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda or the IRA right now. The government really needs to crack down soon.

They've gone way past the original point. Now people are just rioting for no reason out of the blue OUTSIDE of London! I'm just dumbstruck by the stupidity.

Maybe a couple of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuyLIrSjxI would help.

Unfortunately by the time they deployed that it would be toast.

And now for an entertaining interruption and potentially poignant statement on the current state of affairs from the Statesman of all potentially poignant statements...
...it will not be an understatement to present to the onlooking perusers of this highly enlightened thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlir45ZAyc&feature=related

I say catch all responsible and chuck the little thugs in the army. Beat some discipline into them. Then send them to Afganistan or Iraq where people actually fight back and will shoot you instead of standing round with a riot shied forming an orderly line. Then see how big and scary these chavs are then. They do this because they know the police can't do to much because of all the red tape they are constraind by. They have no respect for the law or their country, so force them to fight for it until they know respect. The youth of this country is getting more and more out of control.

These idiots are not fighting for any morale objection or making a stand against any institution, they are doing it to make money out of what they can steal from shops. I suggest you all keep an eye on ebay this week :down:

The man shot in the head last night died in hospital today and it has been reported that there will be 16,000 police in London tonight, will be interesting to see if it makes a difference or indeed if they can actually do anything.

Still the fact they queued shows they are at least gentleman looters :shifty:

Unfortunately, due to their ridiculous decision to tell everyone, the rioters are burning Manchester city square

And on the BBC news channel they are saying the kid who was shot to start this didn't fir first, I personally think now is no the time for this news. They don't need more ammo to try justify their actions.

I know right, I understand that they were trying to calm people down but their feeding intelligence directly to the enemy.

No, no, no. These are seriously the sort of people that the Army absolutely does not want: they actually vet recruits pretty thoroughly for attitude problems, those they miss are weeded out during basic training. The Army is absolutely dependent on trust and I certainly wouldn't want one of these scumbags watching my back.

An Army-run camp could be entertaining, though, along the lines of that reality show from a few years back Bad Lads' Army, where they did an experiment to see what would happen if they subjected petty criminals to 1950s-style National Service. Worked well with some, but others were so irredeemably sociopathic that they had to be dismissed.

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That's what I heard too, but they did stress that they'll open fire if they consider someone to be a serious threat, and I understand he was armed. If that's true, waiting until he opened fire would have been absolutely the wrong thing to do as it may well have involved an actually innocent party being killed or seriously injured.

....and rioting in Salford.

I agree if that is true is irrelivent at this point, it isn't the reason they are rioting however it will give them a reson to hide behind some moral crusade.

Yay. Using a perceived threat to justify/call for an action. :goodjob:

I don't think the government need anymore reason to crack down other than the very real threat of property damage and death (one person has been shot already)

I don't understand why you would think that the rioters shouldn't be arrested?

Riots in Wolverhampton, West Bromwich and Birminghan too.

The rioters should be put down with tear gas or water canons at the very least if guns are out of the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkActP-isE

The fact that they are just rioting for the hell of it is just making me sick. Why destroy people's lives like this? They did listen to a pharmacist when they were trying to break into their shop when he told him it's the only thing he has. They are just going to make things worse for youths and such in the future by doing this.

I never said that


Yes, but I disagree that we should because of any terrorist groups (which forgive me if I am wrong) you seemed to indicate. There are, as you mentioned in later posts, far better reasons.

Well they're actually protesting against http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elQC62FUgqw&feature=player_detailpage#t=161s

Am I the only one in thinking life on earth will be sort of like Deus Ex in the future or am I just exaggerating?

From the BBC site:

2104: Tom Steedman describes to the BBC News Channel watching rioters target a Salford supermarket. He says they managed to drive away police who had been defending the store. "[The rioters] then proceeded to smash through all the shutters on the store, it's been completely looted, and now they've set the store on fire." Mr Steedman says he has seen a lot of people walking away with bags. "It's not just youths, there was actually a family drove up in a car and filled up their boot with stuff from Lidl and drove off."

So now the rioters have provided family parking.

I wonder what kind of sentences are going to be handed out to those that are going to be prosecuted. With the large numbers of arrests, they're going to need to build several new prisons at this rate...

At this rate, almost certainly.

They managed to get a lot of pictures from CCTV of people rioting. These criminals need to get what's coming to them.