I see an interesting trend

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:23 pm

What's there is good, but it could have been great. And the updates since release appear to be written by an intern who doesn't understand the code.

This. I think it's good, but the code in the updates was written by incompetent kids who like to play developer. This is what I'm talking about. It's good but it's so crappy that I can say it was written by incompetent developers. Why do you think that and why would you make such a statement?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:59 pm

This, in brief, is how I view Skyrim as well. Though, I did enjoy the deep lore of Morrowind probably a bit more than you did. I have no difficulty at all translating that lore into Skyrim.

If you managed to finish MW, you did better than I did. I did enjoy Bloodmoon enormously.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:04 am

"How can someone put 100's of hours in Skyrim and complain about it"

oh I dunno...maybe because they Like it more than you do? or maybe because they're Synonymous to Cats as you may be to a Dog.


For Cats, you work for their devotion, if they don't like something, they let you know about it, they are considered to be more intuitive or observant where as a dog really doesn't give a damn lol, it loves you just to love you.

I hate Cats


you know what, forget that, I hate threads talking about people playing the game rather than the game itself
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:36 am

This. I think it's good, but the code in the updates was written by incompetent kids who like to play developer. This is what I'm talking about. It's good but it's so crappy that I can say it was written by incompetent developers. Why do you think that and why would you make such a statement?

Apparently you haven't installed any of the updates. Backwards-flying dragons, CTD because you fast-travelled, arrow and armor damages nowhere near correct, etc.

Also, you really should review your posts before hitting Submit. Your grammar is atrocious, which is why people are having trouble responding to you.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:12 am

OP-

i disagree with almost everything you said.

as well, complaining about skyrim DOESN'T mean we hate it.

# of hours played doesn't mean much, either. since, it takes many hours to get to a high enough level or experience enough of the game to get an idea of the content and game mechanics.

the reason many of us talk about what we don't like is because, in fact, we do care. we don't use arguments like nostalgia and "look how many hours you've played" and "not a big priority" and "more important things to worry about" and "if you don't like it don't use it" etcetc.

we talk about possible ways to, you know, advance gaming. to point out to people, with rationality, the inferior aspects of a game. we don't let gamesas get away with doing anything but their best.

and, having given our constructive criticisms, we can continue enjoying the game.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:52 pm

There are many 100+ hour players in this forum who do nothing but complain about the game as if they hate it. Contradiction, maybe? Usually, I can tell if I'm going to hate a game after investing only 5 hours. If I've invested 100+ hours (some of the complainers have even declared they've played for over 300 hours) in a game, it's a safe bet that I actually like it. Seriously, folks.

BTW, I played the hell out of MW and Oblivion (though I didn't like Oblivion as much because of the damn Oblivion gates and how I felt pressured to complete the main quest... still I got at least 100+ hours out of it). So, I'm not one of the n00bs that many of the complainers whine about for liking Skyrim too much because they simply never played the "better" earlier titles.

I like Skyrim. I like what they did with the perk system (it effectively removed the ability to make a god of all trades that the earlier levelling algorithm exposed). I like the fact that I don't even have to pursue the dragonborn quest if I don't want to from the very beginning without feeling like it's trust upon me. The world seems a lot closer to MW to me than Oblivion, and that's a good thing in my opinion.

Who cares about not being able to find weapons or armor that aren't as powerful as what you can craft. Simple solution: Start a new build and don't use the crafting perks. Spend your perks on other things. Then, you'll be happy to find Daedric armor that's been enchanted... guaranteed. If you want to make it feel like Morrowind, don't smith and don't fast travel (aside from using the horse and cart).

Man, and the complaints about the writing? Yeah, maybe the lore was better written in Morrowind, but the voice acting is 100x better in Skyrim... along with character movements, NPC interpersonal interactions, etc. That combined with the graphics should make this game the most immersive yet! They even brought back some old Morrowind tunes. And, what exactly is wrong with the story-telling? I don't get it. I've played MW and OB, and this sequel is clearly a sequel. It's lore is derived from the lore of the others. Unless you have an issue realizing continuity and have difficulty thinking systematically, I have no idea how it is so difficult to connect all of it into one mass. I think the story-telling is great.

This ^
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:23 am

I've got a little over 300 hours into the game spread out over four characters now, and have been one of those people who've been critical of Skyrim. It's not that I don't like the game or that I think it svcks, it's more that the longer I play it, the more I realize just what is missing and how shallow TES continues to get with each new game.

I love Skyrim as a game, but as an Elder Scrolls game it leaves a bit to be desired.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:40 am

Apparently you haven't installed any of the updates. Backwards-flying dragons, CTD because you fast-travelled, arrow and armor damages nowhere near correct, etc.

Also, you really should review your posts before hitting Submit. Your grammar is atrocious, which is why people are having trouble responding to you.

Hehehe. Sure.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:39 am

Nice game, I've many playthroughs but never finished the main quest, civil war questline or any of that stuff yet. I mostly do sidequests and wander endlessly, return to town to craft and trade. The world is the main character as far as I'm concerned and I love it. My character is just a parasite, a maggot scavenger and I'm along for the ride. I admit the rpg is not that story driven, but the game drips with atmostphere, the world is lush and dangerous ...
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:55 pm

Where have you placed your own criticisms, because I have certainly seen none in here. You are presenting yourself as being fine with the status quo because you have not shown any support against it other than to say "I am fine with constructive criticism," but then you double back to put "complain" in the same and following sentences.

Once again, who is better to detail what is "wrong" or "broken" with a product than someone who has spent a great deal of time with it?

If someone is fine with the product as is, and spent a lot of time with it, they will gloss over or find no faults because they are fine with what they have.

If someone has only spent five hours with the product then their opinion probably does not have as much weight.



In the case you bring up however, it could simply be due to lack of ability to put together words thoughtfully. They simply want to get their point across, that they dislike something, and so use the simplest terms possible:

I HATE SMITHING!

While others, like myself, are able to explain it out better... except my bottom line is the same as theirs:

I HATE SMITHING!

This. If you HATE SMITHING... DON'T USE IT! Use your perks elsewhere.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:22 pm

This. If you HATE SMITHING... DON'T USE IT! Use your perks elsewhere.

lol!

that doesn't FIX the problem and is, in fact, exactly like darkeric (and I) said: you gloss it over.

you just proved our point.

edit: nope, sorry, darkside eric. too much rationality and logic.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:12 am

This. If you HATE SMITHING... DON'T USE IT! Use your perks elsewhere.

That's not the point of my criticism though.

"Don't use it" is only good for play styles and some mechanics. Smithing is not one of those. "I hate smithing" because it breaks the game and I feel instead of "not using it" that the game should be better balanced. I also feel that smithing is the shallowest crafting skill and one of the shallowest skills in all of Skyrim (along with Lockpicking and Speechcraft) and thus "don't use it" gets nothing done.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:56 pm

That's not the point of my criticism though.

"Don't use it" is only good for play styles and some mechanics. Smithing is not one of those. "I hate smithing" because it breaks the game and I feel instead of "not using it" that the game should be better balanced. I also feel that smithing is the shallowest crafting skill and one of the shallowest skills in all of Skyrim (along with Lockpicking and Speechcraft) and thus "don't use it" gets nothing done.

If you think it breaks the game, then you have two choices, throw your broken game away or not use the Smithing perks... spend them on something else. If you don't waste your perks on Smithing, then how does it break the game? Sheesh.

Smithing was added specifically FOR those people who WANTED to "break the game". I use smithing and have made the ultimate armor. My next character will not use it at all so that I can bring back that Morrowind excitement of finding powerful armor deep in dungeons. Smithing doesn't "break" the game. It only does if you want it to.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Well,i agree with you mostly,you are like me :P
I played the crap out of both morrowind and oblivion,but prefers skyrim and morrowind over oblivion,Glad to hear more then just me says the world is closer to morrowind then oblivion.
Love every TES game.<3
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:48 pm

If you think it breaks the game, then you have two choices, throw your broken game away or not use the Smithing perks... spend them on something else. If you don't waste your perks on Smithing, then how does it break the game? Sheesh.

Smithing was added specifically FOR those people who WANTED to "break the game". I use smithing and have made the ultimate armor. My next character will not use it at all so that I can bring back that Morrowind excitement of finding powerful armor deep in dungeons. Smithing doesn't "break" the game. It only does if you want it to.

so, are you stating that the smithing system in skyrim couldn't have been better implemented or improved?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:58 am

If you think it breaks the game, then you have two choices, throw your broken game away or not use the Smithing perks... spend them on something else. If you don't waste your perks on Smithing, then how does it break the game? Sheesh.

Smithing was added specifically FOR those people who WANTED to "break the game". I use smithing and have made the ultimate armor. My next character will not use it at all so that I can bring back that Morrowind excitement of finding powerful armor deep in dungeons. Smithing doesn't "break" the game. It only does if you want it to.

Awesome, so every crafting skill was made specifically to break the game.

See, this is the "glossing over" I mentioned. "Just don't use it" should never, ever, be an option in a well balanced game.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:16 am

i love the game plain and simple its fun yeah the bugs are insane but thats bethesda for us we know the results of the game before we play it. meaning we already know the game will be bugged before purchase i did. sorry i know off topic lol
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:12 pm

i love the game plain and simple its fun yeah the bugs are insane but thats bethesda for us we know the results of the game before we play it. meaning we already know the game will be bugged before purchase i did.

Are you a fan of Nirvana?

Because you seem to be full of "All Apologies."

Seriously... "we know it's buggy but that's okay!" is like saying "we know that cook spit in our food but y'know... let's eat it anyway."
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:00 pm

Are you a fan of Nirvana?

Because you seem to be full of "All Apologies."

Seriously... "we know it's buggy but that's okay!" is like saying "we know that cook spit in our food but y'know... let's eat it anyway."
whats nirvana LOL sorry only fan i am of is bethesda
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:08 pm

whats nirvana LOL sorry only fan i am of is bethesda

:facepalm:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:00 pm

:facepalm:
yeah i dont pay attention to alot of things im a gamer nerd i play games and if there fun enough like skyrim i will overlook the bugs to a point do to i know they be patched up.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:45 pm

yeah i dont pay attention to alot of things im a gamer nerd i play games and if there fun enough like skyrim i will overlook the bugs to a point do to i know they be patched up.

:facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:31 pm

I know it's nitpicking and semi-off topic, but Skyrim has two songs based off Morrowind songs (Main theme and Jerrall Mountains).

Those same two songs are also found in Oblivion (Main theme and Through the Valleys).
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:35 pm

There's no irony. It just takes some time to see what there is behind the shiny and dragons. Or more like, what there isn't.

Exactly. The cheerleaders and the trolls have pretty much moved on (and thank all the gods for that). The people who complain a lot that remain, complain because what they've found doesn't live up to their hopes. They played and played because the premise, or the scope of the game, or the location, etc, pleases them, but some feature(s) of it really frustrates a great deal.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:21 am

ahhh another post from someone who's first TES game was Morrowind.......was your first shooter HALO?
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