Yeah, so the whole combat oriented shadow warrior thing works. Well.

Yeah.. it's really useful. What I do when I get caught sneaking is come out of sneak then sneak back before attacking. Depending on the enemy'ssneak resistance, I usually trigger the sneak multiplier, still being able to perform one-hit kills even against 3 or more enemies. XD

You are doing it wrong. Sorry to sound crass.

Yeah, I agree too.

So can we confirm... do one handed perks , more importantly 'Dual Flurry' and 'Dual Savagery', apply to daggers? And I don't mean dagger in one hand, sword in the other. I mean true dual wield dagger.

No problem. I'm used to people with too much pride who can't admit any fault with their reasoning using the "You're doing it wrong" go-to answer.

Edit: eh, read the whole thread. If you cant get invisibility to work just stick with shadow warrior, it is less complicated.

(reasoning? Prepared reaponse?- sounds like it)

IDK if it's a confirmation, but my chick Fs stuff up badly and I have all the non-sword, -axe, -mace perks in the 1H tree. I usu Sneak 1-shot Dragon Priests, but I'll straight out melee the next one and see if 2 power attacks take him out. I know 1 dual dagger power attack will take Shadowmere out. I've done that a few times...reload.

Edited for clarity.

Prepared response? Dude I've read through the whole thread, you are totally dogmatic about this illusion/invisibility stuff. It's a video game mate, I'm not sure how badly I can mess up crouching with a clear indicator that says "hidden". Not a question of complication, it's a statement of works vs doesn't work. How about you not treat this like it's a religion and accept that your play style isn't the end-all-be-all play style, especially when it seems others have had success using the perk mentioned in the first post.

I use a "fixed" Ebony Blade (170 damage +30 Life Absorb) with the Ebony Mail/Ebony armor and I have all the sneak perks a long with a +47% fortify sneak enchantment and I get the kill animation almost every time. When I dual wield it's usually with destruction cloaks in both hands or a destruction or restoration spell in one hand and Mehrune's Razor in the other.

Wow, way to ham-handedly use hyperbole. The thread is about shadow-warrior, I have argued the alternative. No one said-end all be all, and I don't recall religion entering the argument. in fact around page 4, when the discussion ended I say it (illusion branch) is only going to be a good replacement for a free handed build.
I think its great that you can't mess up knowing when you are hidden, I guess you missed my point there as well. Also I never said shadow-warrior didn't work just fine. I wont continue this argument since Idon't want to add to more clutter to this thread. PM me if you must, heck if you can get over your anger I can probably even tell you why you couldn't figure out to get invisibility to work on your character.

All the people discussing the worthfulness of the perk in the long run, for assassin characters what else is needed?

My character is full sneak and nothing else is needed.

Armour - pointless. Slows you down. Muffle enchantments are covered by silence. Due to the rarity of finding myself in combat situations even if I did wear it it wouldn't level very far. I always felt like armour was an addmitance of "I'm bad at what I'm do" for any stealther.
Illusion - pointless. Inivisibility is quickly made redundant by high levels of sneak, as is muffle.
Marksman - pointless. Daggers 1 hit everything anyway.
One handed - somewhat redundant. 6x is strong, 15x is overkill, 30x is hyperkill, 60x with full armsman is jesus christ I just one shot a mountain.
Lockpicking - pointless, you can buy so many picks that the perks really aren't that useful.
Pickpocket - 10% chance to fail, always.

I've started levelling destruction just so I have somewhere to put all these perks.

@mishaxi,

Armor doesn't actually "slow you down" in any way shape or form. I think it is unfortunate, but it is true. A character in robes runs as fast as a character in light armor runs as fast as a character in daedric plate.
So, even unperked, there is no disadvantage to wearing armor at all, except for the small inventory weight allotment. The advantage would be the armor wearer wont get one-shotted as easily as the "naked" character.

ok.. a little bit off-topic (well, not really since they're connected) but i made this other thread yesterday and nobody seems to know or nobody has replied yet but here was the question on my other thread:

Does anybody know if Shadowcloak of Nocturnal (Nightingale invisibility power) has been fixed yet? You know how it conflicts with Shadow Warrior (Sneak perk at 100) or how the game triggers the Shadowcloak of Nocturnal but Shadow Warrior cancels it after 1 sec.

Want to know if any of the patches were able to fix it. Thanks!

Oh you don't understand metaphors or comparisons, I see one root of the problem then. I said you're acting religious, not that you're bringing up religion. And around that same page, you say illusion is pretty much > alchemy and most of the stealth tree. Illusion benefits thieves and assassins, but any build can benefit from alchemy and to an extent the stealth tree. You're the one who comes off angry, and looking at all the references to deleted posts, I'm guessing you've been on a tantrum for a while and it got cleaned up. I've got 5 different builds, I don't need "schooling" in "crouching" by a guy whose invested in one skill tree on one build.

@myk,

Concerning the nightengale problem,
I havent seen any patch notes to say it was fixed- havent seen any concerning conjuration and spell absorbtion for that matter either.

Might have missed something but afaik it is still an issue. If you are on PC i would be money a mod deals with it.

thanks for the response @udey. i had to get shadow warrior early as it was essential for survival whenever i really do have to face enemies head on but now that i am part of the nightingales, i really would prefer having the 120 seconds of invisibility...

This again? Shadow Warrior and invisibility are not mutually exclusive! Sheesh!

Sneak wont save you against dragons. You need to be a more well rounded fighter.

Are you sure? I've never done time trials, but I thought you move a little slower in heavy armor. Not like when you're over encumbered, but a little. In fact, I could've sworn that i had to sprint spurt on my heavy armor guy when I followed Delphine to Kynesgrove.

Armor absolutely does slow you down. Until you take the relevant perks, wearing armor hampers your stamina usage and regeneration.

Doesn't matter, in any case. 49 perks means you can pretty much order off the menu, unless you plan on taking 2 types of armor skill and 3 types attack. Shadow Warrior works. Illusion works. Running up and stabbing stuff in the face works. Do what gives you the most lulz.

This seems so counter-intuative I always assumed it did slow you down, even if only a little. I think it's gotta reduce stamina regen at the very least. Unarmoured with 160 stamina I can sprint, well... forever, and mobility is so useful.


Shadow warrior abuse + some destruction spam + resist elemental enchantments does the job.

Yeah, I abuse this one.

I just tested Savage Strike and it APPEARED to help the damage output on dual daggers in that without it I got Dragon munched and with it I munched the Dragon. I would like something more concrete of course, and to know if the same applies to Dual Savagery.