Disarm spells. End.

This is how repair should have been done:

Base weapon damage is a fixed a number. When you improve it at a smith, it improves to (Base +x) damage. The "+x" damage degrades over time until it returns to base. Simply visit a smith again to restore it to (base + x). It gives a more natural feel to improving smithing without requiring you to collect repair hammers like lockpicks.

Those are not the same because you can just pick up your weapon. If it is broke, you have to find a station to repair it, and if you cannot repair magical weapons (like the Apotheosis staff) because your skill is too low or you don't have the right perk, then you need to find someone who can. Getting hit with disintigrate weapon is way worse than a mere disarm spell.

I can agree with that. Once they have that mechanic in the game, they could use it to allow weapons to degrade below the base through the use of disintigrate spells but not normal wear.

I can see repairing your gear being a valid part of the game, I was actually expecting that coming from fallout and it makes sense that u'd have to repair your gear over time... I don't know why it's not in there.

The upgrades should've still needed upkeep, which is what I expected

Seems like they tend to lean towards simplifying rather than making anything too difficult, spos to cater for as many players as possible or a budget thing.

I can see how they might have looked at enchanted weapons/ charging +weapon refining, then thought adding weapon repairs on top would just be too complicated or something to cut and make the game leaner.

Imo refining seems to work well as a sort of weapon maintenance function to keep up with scaling enemies so not too bothered, although It would have been interesting having your uber sword snap in two in the middle of a swarm of draugr deathlords

If only they went with a hardcoe mod for these sorts of things

there's still dlc's to come, maybe thay'l read this thread and integrate it

To actually contribute to the discussion, whether or not weapon repairing is immersive/realistic/whatever enough is flippin' irrelevant. It made the game play worse, so it went away. What Cozar suggested is the best compromise, oddly enough it's what I thought the deal was going to be before release.

You sound like a jealous child. I certainly have not used words like `elitist`, you did and then jumped on a thousand stupid assumptions, like the rest of the non-thinking naysayers.

Stay off the coffee.

But this is why games become worst and worst until eventually, no one will buy Bethesda games except 2-10 year olds, because no one cares for gameplay and immersion.

If Bethesda`s happy with that, good for them. I won`t be purchasing.

you seem to have missed gamesas's "improvement" policy. Just takea a look at what was lost since daggerfall. They don't ever "improve" on stuff they either scrap it or add in a completely new system thats usuall just as bad or worse then what it's replacing.

You're an idiot. That attitude is elitist. Look up the definition of elitist. You seem to think that you have to call yourself elitist to be elitist - news flash idiot, calling me a child because I haven't played Morrowind is elitist.

I may be 15, but at least I have superior grammar, spelling and arguments to you even while on a [censored] smartphone.

Look, nobody needs jerks like you, least of all Bethesda. Good for them, not catering to the insufferable and unpleasable Morrowind fanbase.

My honest opinion is weapon degradation should wear down improvements. That optional hardcoe modes should be bundled. More attributes. Divergent quests. Better balanced skill trees. Etc, etc. I may agree with you on most things, but I disagree with your whinging, self entitled [censored].

They did it for the same reason as health regen. So kiddies can run around killing stuff without much thought or planning ahead.

Like I said, stay off the coffee.

/facepalm.

Health regen happens so slow it has no effect on combat. What you should be complaining about is the ability to pause combat and guzzle 10 potions of minor healing. It's more efficient to wait and max your health/magic/stamina than wait for it to regen.

I agree. Health potions should be a lot harder to come by...

I`m right in there aren`t I? Right in the centre of your brain.

Not really, that would just make the three crafting trees more of a necessity. Want decent gear??? Too bad, you have to pick up Smithing, despite the fact you have enough gold to pay someone to do it for you. Want to have a decent Fortify Unarmed for your pacifist Khajiit thief? Too bad. And so on.

The solution is a complete overhaul of the health system - locational damage, bleed outs, scrapping health, etc.

Which is why there should be fewer perk points available to the player, and also why the crafting skills shouldn't be so easy to exploit...

Fewer perks is not the answer. I have hardly enough to specialize as it is, having to grab three crafting skills.

Assuming you're talking about fists of steel, it uses the base armour rating from the item. Not the upgraded one. Unless you've modded that. Also I think that's an odd definition of pacifist.

Also, you guys should chill. this is potentially a very good discussion point. I'd rather it not get closed. So....please?

Ah, well he thing is he doesn't want to kill people, hence carries no weapons aside from hunting bow and iron arrows, but if he has to fight he uses his fists.

Edit: I was talking about enchanting btw.

Here's what most people miss completely about weapon upkeep:

Keeping your weapon in condition is not about fixing/repairing it with a bunch of tools all the time, it is about basic maintenance such as cleaning, sharpening, applying layers of coating, polishing etc. At no point would a regular soldier require the knowledge of how to actually construct a weapon in order to maintain it. Why do modern soldiers learn how to take apart their weapons and re-assemble them? Answer is, in order to clean them! They don't learn how to take pieces of metal and plastic and assemble them into weapons, they simply keep their weapons in shape by caring for them on a regular basis. A good weapon degrades because of grime, dirt, blood, rust and other filth which collects over time unless you care for it, once pieces start to break of from it, it is already long gone and you are better of just picking up an intact weapon, rather than trying to restore the one you have because it is just going to break even more the next time you use it.

So there is no logical reason why smithing should be connected with weapon upkeep, weapon maintenance is more logically tied to your weapon skill (as experience with the weapon will have taught you what you need to think about in order to keep it from degrading) and it does not require a bunch of tools. If the blade of your axe has been chipped or the tip of your sword has come off, no amount of tools or hammers, short of an entire crafting station is going to fix that blade for you.

So in the game, it can be assumed that, just like eating, it is something your experienced warrior does between battles and if you want to roleplay it you can put your weapon on a table and sit down on a chair for a few minutes and pretend that he or she is cleaning their weapon, but bringing a bunch of tools for this does not add any realism whatsoever.

Still, it would be nice every now and then to have an inferior weapon break on you, or them.. for that matter?