I keep pounding away- YES. Skyrim has lost much of the character build features, and does not have the NPC interaction of Oblivion. It is an action adventure game that after playing through becomes boring. The time depends upon the individual. A lot of Skyrim boosters today will come to the conclusion after they've reached their own saturation point. And no, this is not the same as other Elder Scrolls games!!!
Both Morrowind and Oblivion can be played much longer than Skyrim. Skyrim is as good as that new castle or hole in the ground. Once the holes are filled, game over.

That is neither, that is simply a result.

Thesis: Morrowind captures players better than Skyrim

One of the results when testing this thesis is that for you it did, however another person had a completely different result, hence the thesis is false.

It is NOT a fact.

...about New Vegas; I like it. And I've played it through more times than I have Skyrim. So there are improvements possible with the existing character build perk system. But I still believe with all the other choices gone from the character build, Skyrim simply cannot match Morrwind or Oblivion for replay value.

Skyrim is for tourists; Morrowind and Oblivion you can stay awhile.

It is reproduced under same circumstances

For example lets take the Thieves guild for example in Skyrim compare it to Oblivion Thieves guild.

In Oblivion to proceed through the ranks of the Thieves you had to be a thief by actually fencing stolen items to reach the next available quest to proceed in the main quest line of the thieves guild WOW that is some amazing logic in Skyrim you do not have to be a thief under any circumstances you can be a warrior heavy armor running around and complete it.

Which one has more depth between the two? Both are pretty shallow one of which actually requires to do something to do what the guild does to actually proceed in it. Of course I have more example especially the main quest and the story line in general if you want to hear that as well I will be glad too but the fact is the Skyrim a shallow game its HUGE that's it if Skyrim was based upon its story of any part it would fail under VARIOUS titles either be Assassins Creed, Witcher series, ME, Dragon Age, SWTOR, Bioshock, (any Bioware game really), Metal gear, previous TES titles as said and more it is shallow you have no feeling at all for the character or the story unless force yourself to do such.

Christ on a bike, is that all you go around saying "in your opinion". Of course it's his opinion, he didn't state otherwise. I'm sure 90% of your posts are highlighting the fact it's someone's personal opinion.

IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO

Do you really need people to write 'IMO' at the end of each and every post that you don't happen to agree with?

This of course is only my opinion.

So you played a game that is modded to suit your tastes and compared it to one that is not modded to your tastes.
Try doing Vanilla V. Vanilla comparison,unless Morrowind is unplayable without mods

It's out in the open. Finally someone said it.

Let's all go back to Planescape Torment and enjoy the most perfect, bestest, beautifullest and completest RPG ever made.

I have played vanilla Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim only. I am comparing apples to apples.

Mods will help, but cannot change the essential character build of Skyrim. You knowledgeable people will have to explain what mods can do, but they can't do that, and in an RPG, character build is almost everything- if you intend to play the game more than once.

Based on your stereotype of a "thief" as a cat burglar, but I can argue that the thieves guild in Skyrim is more of an organized crime network, which utilizes muscles and manipulation as well as stealth to achieve its' goals, and as such a brute warrior fits just fine into the guild.

Obviously different people here have very different opinions on the main story in Skyrim, and they all played the same main story so the claim that the main story has less or more of something is false.

i remember Morrowind getting roundly slated on the old boards when it was first released, then people moved on to slating Oblivion. The next TES game will get slated, it's just the way of the world.

In 10 years time people will be commenting that they no longer make games like Skyrim.

There's a pretty diverse build-set when it comes to creating a class in Skyrim, I'm not sure what you're trying to say or if you realize that you have two hands to use. Oh, and lest we forget the Shouts.


In a world where gamers are the old man telling kids to get off his lawn...

Where gamers drive on the median...

Where gamers pine over the old days...

One game stands alone.

Coming to a theatre near you :

Morrowind : Nostalgia of obstinence

(Why does that sound like a Castlevania game?)

but why not compare modded morrowind to whatever skyrim is currently? is that so wrong? again, i'm sure skyrim will become modded to my tastes too, i'm not saying its bad. i just currently am much, much more motivated to play morrowind. (IMO IMO IMO)

lol

zghart- I don't pine for Morrowind, I wanted Skyrim to have as involved a character build as past Elder Scrolls games and wanted the NPC interaction to at least be as much, if not more.

That's pretty simple. But Bethesda removed much of the Character build in Skyrim- choices gone- and that's not even debatable. I don't hate Skyrim- it's a great action adventure game.

Oh come on.. quit blabbering on just trying to think you are right. THE FACT is TES in general especially Skyrim has little depth at all its sandbox period it has as much depth as WoW has and story. Both of which only has as much as you MAKE it out to be. Your clearly just building it up more then what it actually is. Some don't even consider to Skyrim to be a RPG in general because of its lacking depth and decent story. Its a good sandbox great for exploration but story and NPC interaction and a never changing world no matter what you do it fails in that aspect does it make it a horrible game no certianly not but do not claim it to be as deep as a game such as Mass Effect with its story and world interaction.

Bethesda removed some and added a few, it's pretty debatable when it comes to character build (classes if you will) actually.

Even at a base level, with features removed, having two hands roughly doubles build dynamics. Then factor in that you have an extra 'hand' with some 20 available shouts to use.

Then, lest we forget once more, you are no longer limited to which skills/spells you can use...

So, as you can plainly see, the dynamic is much more complicated than an imagined indebatable factoid snippet.

Oh, and God forbid here, you can actually kill a mudcrab in 2 hits at level one.

I don't know, for me both games share many similarities, one of them being that replay value is up to you (Instead of being tied to the game, like in Mass Effect). Apart from the Civil War, The Great Houses and Conflicting Factions I could do whatever I wanted in Morrowind and Skyrim.

If I played trough the whole Fighter's Guild I wouldn't create another warrior character by a long time, the same goes for the Companions. In both Morrowind and Skyrim the "big picture" results (Of your actions in quests) are almost the same, you will end as the chief. The only difference (for the better) being that Morrowind had longer quest-lines and some of the quests had choices tied to them (But those choices generally didn't affect the "big picture" result of the quest-line)

That's why I don't understand how some people say "I finished Skyrim, it has no replay value, I'm going back to Morrowind". Because for me if I played the quest-lines of both games I already would know what happens next, the game isn't offering replay value, I'm providing its replay value myself by playing different ways. (In this aspect I agree that Morrowind allows for more "different game-styles" than Skyrim. But in the end of the day or you are a Mage, a Warrior a Thief or a Hybrid, you just specializes more.)

You do realize that the ONLY perks that seperate one-handed from Two-handed are:

1) Two Handed can get AOE side-swipes
2) One Handed can get additional attack speed for dual-wielding.


The two weapon types had tons of potential, sure, but they basically threw that potential in the dumpster.

I think he meant dual wielding.

I said nothing about viabilty...

I said availability, and that the amount of builds (classes) is actually pretty debatable.


And, yes.

When it gets modded to your tastes by all means make the comparison then.

Til then they only fair comparison is Vanilla V vanilla.

Dont bother, once a negative Skyrim thread starts the vultures appear and you will be drowned soon enough! You see its not ok to have an opinion on these forums, well not anymore and since TES has gone mainstream at any rate, it was different when TES was in its infancy, yes I have played all the TES at their time of release going back to Arena and have been in these forums since before Morrowind was released. You see it should be ok to say I don't agree and I love Skyrim, besides I am sure there are Millions who do love the game along with all the positive reviews! The problem is the repeat offenders are noisier, louder if you like, and shout their opinions at every thread, and shout it as FACT, everyone is allowed their opinion but for Gods sake stop drowning those who have something good to say!

I love Skyrim, and while Morrowind was a great game, the lifeless NPC's and outdated graphics as well as the bland environments are enough to put me off playing it much anymore, and yes I still have it for the PC - not to mention those fricken flying rats!

I wouldn't dare play Morrowind modded, each to their own, and not hating on modders AT all, but people that play Morrowind with mods weren't playing TES back in 2002, just 2012 gamers that are only interested in what the game looks like.

Skyrim is what you make it.

Welcome to Morrowind, say hi to Vivec for me. It is the best TES to date.