Hooray for the creation kit

Misunderstood then, though I'm coincidentally still debating the same topic.
We would've had loads more diversity if they'd bothered to make two-handed, one-handed and sword/mace/axe completely different, but they didn't. Two-handed and one-handed play almost exactly the same, as do sword/mace/axe.

As to your specific point, yes and no. In many cases, you'll be able to cast a spell beforehand, THEN switch to your sword and board for the fight. Even the diversity of shield vs destruction magic is debateable, as one ends up feeling ridiculously superior to the other. To me, diversity also demands that there's SOME logical reason to use a different combination, not just that you CAN use it but one of the options is stupid as hell in comparison to the others. Dual-wielding vs. Shield? I see that as true diversity as both are quite capable. Besides that though? Maybe you'd switch out to cast a heal spell here and there, but...

zyghart; How many spells are gone? Is that debatable? There was a finger pad of quick choices gone- now we have a spell or choice on each hand. That's different, but the finger pad had more choice. That's a mechanic I really don't care about and doubt those who admire Skyrim do either.

Acrobatics, chameleon, and other features- gone. This debatable?

Attributes gone- that debatable? there are three areas now where they are condensed.
NPC interaction- both with player and themselves. This is tricky, because it will rely upon your observation vs whoever- but in general, the opinion in this forum has been that the NPCs no longer react to your actions as they did in Oblivion. They do not speak to each other nearly as much either, but how to quantify or qualify this without working for Bethesda- I don't know. If you don't acknowledge this loss of interaction however you are in a minority of posters.


What can be said is that you don't miss, or find the absence not important enough to change your overall experience with Skyrim. I have no beef with people enjoying Skyrim. No one should have a problem with that, and there is no reason to call names or rotten allusions to either group. (not that I'm saying you have)

for me and many others, the loss of these choices and features changed our character build process and the game to the negative.

How many hours do you have in Skyrim?

FACT = Oblivion's spell system has far more depth than Skyrim...that my friends...is a FACT...not an opinion...

I'll certainly agree that the dual-wielding mechanic could have been implemented in a better manner, and that TES has lost a few things along the way from Arena to Skyrim.

It's also added a few things.

There is certainly potential in Skyrim's system, what they do with it is anyone's guess. I was personally expecting some bonus for using certain equipment and/or spells in tandem, but alas... we will have to see what VI holds in store.

Just simply trying to say that there are potentially just as many builds available, if not more, when considering 4 things :

Dual wielding
Shouts
Ability to use any skill/spell, with no restrictions other than time invested.
Perks

Now the amount of skills and spells, thats not really debatable... TES has dropped a few of those without adding enough to replace. Its a net loss in my book.

What's really sad is...

Upon release, I remember them saying "Skyrim has 87 different spells."
Now, go here and count the spells, count how many of them are "Fortify SKILL NAME" spells: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Magical_Effects

And Morrowind [censored] Oblivion...

A lot of people Dual-Wield because it looks cool and you can "be a WHIRLWIND OF DESTRUCTION!". Meh. Its power attack looks pretty, but it really isn't as powerful as it looks. Not all of the attacks land where you want them, and even in a situation where you are surrounded it is not ideal. (If you get surrounded, you either have a strange strategy, or you aren't good at melee combat because you allow yourself to be overwhelmed.) An AOE frontal swipe from a two-handed weapon is my preference.

I always find putting power bash+deadly bash with a two handed/shield quite powerful and beneficial, which is why I can't really bring myself to dual wield.

As for the Skyrim wearing out after 100 Hours, meh, I don't agree.

The transition between Oblivion and Skyrim, for me, is a lot like the transition between Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas. New Vegas and Skyrim both added a lot of replay-ability because you can now make totally different choices in the Civil War and main questline.

I'm not hating on the dual-wielders, as there are some people who are very good at it. In my experience, I didn't find it to be at all nearly good as my friends said it was.

Not that much, it had Spell Creation and that's it. Aside from that it was a convoluted concept of using Weakness and Damage to kill everything. Better than Skyrim I would say, but far from a good system.

The fact that you think your opinion is fact is in fact an opinion.

Morrowind? yes. New vegas? No.
Thats the time I actually stopped playing a game after 2 days. FO3 was great, NV felt like a big travesty of that game.
As for Skyrim, I love it.
Only thing that gets annoying at times is the NPC random pvssyr. I dont have to hear that that one guy works for Belethor everytime I pass him in Whiterun.
Would have been better if it was a simple 'good day', 'have you heared ' or 'is that fur coming out of your ears?"

Factiopnionception.

Off topic, but New Vegas stayed more true to the series and had a lot more depth than Fallout 3.

A lot of the people on the Fallout Forums will agree.

Just had to put that out there if we are going to be comparing games.

I am terribly sorry, but I have to disagree here, FO3 was simply stunning, NV was basically a very large, overpriced DLC, which in addition was riddled with near game breaking bugs......

I can understand. TES fans seem to prefer FO3 over New Vegas for some reason. Well, New Vegas was designed by Obsidian and Oblivion/Skyrim and Fallout 3 by Bethesda, so I guess it isn't a coincidence.

What a crock of BS, you are fooling no one. So you just happend to have Morrowind GOTY on had and never played it, and knew which mods to add without having ever played the game before?

Agreed. besides when i tell someone it's an opinion not a fact it really show's you who the trolls are.
Also agreed.
In your opinion.

I guess so, I mean Obsidian blew my mind with KOTOR, but since then in all fairness jack [censored] imo, FO3 was perfection on release, really was something else, I guess we do move with the times, even though I still prefer Morrowind to Skyrim, Skyrim is also absolutely amazing, but at the time I had seen nothing like FO3, I racked up TOO many hours in that game

Obsidian seems to cater to old school sensibilities so it would only make sense fans of older games would enjoy thier games more.Bethesda does their own thing.

You got burned out.

I always switch between Fallout and TES. It will give each of them time to "refresh" their host of mods.

In fact I'm comtemplating buying the Fallout NV DLCs and replaying it again. I stopped playing it only after 150 hours because the world was too empty and I have had 100% completion twice already. Hopefully modders have fleshed out the world by now.

The reason being it's "oblivion with guns", a Bethesda-style open-world dungeon crawler. Now i haven't played the classics, wasn't a PC player when they were released and can't seem to get into them now, but as far as i'm concerned the only thing FO3 does better than New Vegas is the world. And unsurprisingly the thing Skyrim does best is the world too.

lol you can buy it for $8. and the top 3 mods i think was the ones i used on planetelderscrolls. it was very complicated. not trying to pick fights, just wanted to tell my story mate.

It is hard to describe Arena and Morrowind, simply, they are in a league of their own, Skyrim is out of this world amazing, but Morrowind was better...

EDIT: IS better.

That can sort of happen.

If you go to stream now they are selling a bundle of Morrowind GOTY + Oblivion GOTY + Skyrim at $60, basically the same price you paid for Skyrim at launch.

And he just needs to go to a Morrowind modding website and look though the top 25 for most of his modding needs.

If you really believe that you need to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOUCDIP9uV0. We were all cheated.