And that is your choice. You choose to equip your character sub-optimally, accepting the consequences of such an atypical action. That's fine.

However, Those who choose to follow a clear and logical path of progression, playing intelligently and aggressively, are told it is wrong because the mechanical design of the game is less than serviceable. For those who do not want a challenging experience, there are plenty of difficulties to choose from. However for those who are already playing on the maximum difficulty, we have nowhere to go because the ceiling is inadequate due to problems with the entire foundation.

I dont find it over powered. I have 100 sneak and I get noticed all the time.

Sneak is fine. Unfortunately NPCs are dumb as Draugrs. There's no difference in the AI behavior between a wild animal, a zombie or a sentient NPC. I would expect a NPC that sees someone dead to alert everyone and that people don't resume their normal schedule with arrows sticking out of their bodies or with the corpses of their fallen mates everywhere around.

why do they need to adress it ? its not gonna get adressed cause its not broken, sure you get to be stealthy big deal, you can always ignore it, bethesda isn't gonan nerf any elements of their games, its really a minority of overall players that complain like this and bethesda knows it, lots of people like to play casually and not have to be challenged to such a high degree, so they get to be overpowered if they want, but its up to you, if you're overpowered, you made yourself overpowered and i don't see them ever punishing me cause you made yourself overpowered then complained....this is kinda funny, its really game police, people love to impose restrictions on other people, this is a fantasy game and it ain't getting nerfed, bethesda isn't blizzard.

i love bethesda games and i like how i get to be "overpowered if i want", on your next playthrough you can always make adjustments, you have to impose a lot of restrictions on yourself, some people want everyone else punished cause they don't themselves have an restraint, there is a thread on every skill almost being overpowered, big deal, i might want to do a playthrough and max as much stuff out as i can. ever think about that? obviously bethesda has since every single one of their games, you get to be overpowered if you want, so a lot of people like to be able to roleplay, you have to have the ability to be overpowered if you choose, its a choice though, you don't have to take any perks, you can ignore all the perks if you want, you are not forced to use perks, and you're not forced to max anything out. you have to go out of your way for the most part, you don't end up super powerfull accidentally.

I didn't take the perks in sneak for this reason after my 1st character.

Now it's not overpowered at all!

my daggers hit for 70-80.. x30 stealth and im only lvl 32 :/

Nothing can kill me..

Drop the DB gloves, get rid of the enhancement on your daggers (or use just one) , wear non enchanted armor... now try.

Oh... and stop putting all your leveling up points into health.

I put them all in stamina. If I get seen it's a fight for my life.

the exact OPPOSITE is true and i think you have it completely BACKWARDS. the game should be created by the developers to be very hard at the top difficulty and then give us the option to make it easier.

not, the game is easy and we, the buyers/players of their product, do what we can to make it harder and more balanced.

the options should be there regardless. not because of their ineptitude, laziness, lack of creativity/time/money, etc.

Funny thing is, i was a mage the first 20 lvls.. and then i went into assasin..
I have no enchantment on my daggers, i just made them Legendary with smithing.
and why should I be forced to lvl and wear a specifik gear to get a challenge? why not just balance out all the perks and stats so what ever character you do, you still get a descent challenge... its not my job to keep the balance, its Bethesdas.

Sneak takes a while to get to 100 (unless you cheat) and sneak is not all that grand unless you are willing to put points into it.

I use sneak + archery and even though I am unseen 75% of the time, the remainder 25% I am seen.

Bosses I can get a couple of hits on them (more if I am lucky) but they usually see me as with dragons. This is why I take a companion with me to soak up the damage, since I am fragile

Not another one.

@osheao...

It's only easy if you make it that way. Bethesda gave you perks so you can put them where you want, when you want.

The game doesn't force, make, beg, bribe, or require you to spend them.

YOU have made the game easier by spending perks.
Something you didn't have to do.. But chose to do.

I kept it more difficult by NOT spending the perks.

And yet your complaining that it's too easy now.

Stop. Spending. Perk. Points.

And how did that whole "it's Bethesda's job" thing work out for you?

Understand the game you are playing before you play it.

Bethesda gave you the responsibility. Take it and enjoy the game, or turn it down and whine about it

Whatever. Your $60.

So what you're saying is, that we are all doing it wrong. We should not level up, and not actually play the game...that way everyone can turn a blind eye to the glaring issues in the gameplay so Bethesda can continue to repeat the issues in future games?

And what's with all this "I'm forced" garbage. As far as I know, the only thing that's "forced"on the player is the Helgen Castle right after character creation.

Everything else is a choice you make.

No. Your not doing it wrong. Your doing it in a way that gets you very powerful. Maybe more than you want.

I'm just trying to show you a different way... where you won't be all powerful and you won't one shot everything.

It's up to each person on what type of character they want and how powerful they want to be.

I could tell you about one of my characters that has an awesome background and purpose... she's a blast to play... but freekin hard. I also have one that can do anything.

Two different games really.

I'm not avoiding it. I'm not powerlevelling it or investing perks into it. With about 40 sneak at level 25 it helps with hunting and I often get to sneak attack a guard or 2 but theres no way I'd get through an entire cave system backstabbing everyone.

I just started a new character focusing on sneak the other week, got about 20 odd hours in and sneak is already up over fifty so it's going to be a quick skill to get to a hundred by the looks of it.

Yes it's damn powerful but I expected it to be so, the game describes sneak as the ability to hide in plain sight, I have no problems with it as it appears to be working exactly how Beth planned it to.

I have plenty of fun with lots of sneak perks, db gear combined with invisibility and paralyze. I have lots of different characters all with different playstyles, weapons, items etc. If I find myself getting bored on one character I just switch over to one of other guys and melee it up or raise a few dead thralls or whatever. Now if I spent the whole two hundred hours just sneaking and one-shotting everything I could understand getting bored with it, but I wouldn't try and go against the game by not using advantageous perks I would st create a new character that played in a manner I found fun.

But you see, the problem is that its far too easy, to even unintentionally make yourself far more powerful than intended, simply by playing intelligently. It's as though the game was designed to insult someone's intelligence in that regard. It's reasonably possible to have a nearly unstoppable character, as soon as around level 20 to 30, when there are 81 levels in the game.

I believe, that stealth, for example should indeed be reasonably powerful at maximum power, however....the large payoff in power must have equal difficulty and risk involved. Simply having 100 sneak, should not set every encounter into a foregone conclusion.

If this game capped your level at 20-30, it really wouldnt be as much of an issue, but you can get to level 81, but whats the point when you are already god like? Its one thing to progress to a high level and become proficient in a game after alot of leveling, but in Skyrim you can get to level 20 in a matter of hours, and be god like by the end of it.

I love it when you have a free roaming game, then people ask a question, when you answer said question, they claim your too powerful and should play it this way.



If your not playing it how Billy Bob is playing it your too powerful and are in the wrong. Be sure to run through Skyrim naked and wielding a stick, but even then some a-hole will still b!tch your too powerful.

I think what we have here is a MMO mentality where we level up to become more powerful. We try to level quickly and spend level points that make us more powerful than we were before.
That doesn't work in TES.

Leveling in Skyrim isn't necessarily about becoming more powerful. It can be... but it doesn't need to be.

Leveling in Skyrim can be about creating a character, expanding their story, and becoming a part of the world.

It's not gimping your character or playing outside the game's parameters. It's about playing a way that the game allows you to play. It's about playing a game in a way you've never played a game before.

Try it. You might be amazed.

Read better. Nobody is saying that anyone is playing it wrong.

If you don't like being uber-god, don't spend any perk points.

If you think gold is to easy to come by, stop selling stuff. Use only the gold you find in bags. Or use quest reward money only.

If lockpicking is too easy... no perks and you can't buy lockpicks. You can only use the ones you find or pickpocket.

If you one shot everyone with your dagger of killing, go back to iron.

No one way is wrong. They are just different. Stop thinking that it's up to Bethesda to define the way anyone plays.

They gave you a big wide open world to play in with tons of options.

Use them... or don't.

It's up to you.

Maybe you need to read better, because that was my point with more sarcasm.

MMO mentality, nothing. You are trying to redefine the purpose of leveling, in an RPG. Leveling and/or combat are some of the most important parts of any game that tries to call itself an RPG. Story, environment, quests, they are all vehicles for character progression, and always have been. You level up and acquire better equipment through combat, for the purpose of leveling further and becoming better at combat. This can really even apply to any kind of game.

It is quite simple really. A Challenge is posed, then the player entertains himself figuring out how to beat said challenge. The formula works for nearly any game. Chess? Figure out how to checkmate king. Hide and seek? Figure out where the other players are. Tic tac toe? Figure out which box to mark an X.

The main point is if you slam your face against the keyboard and roll it around for a while, you win Skyrim.

The series has a very strong grip on open world and exploration aspects. But why not have both? Why not combine the open world exploration part with the structured, balanced mechanics and design that many other games utilize?

Hehe... point taken.

I used to be a better reader... Then I.....