Do the Blades' motives make any sense?

Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:46 am

The Tiber Septim, Paarthunax and the Blades bit does confuse things.
If Tiber Septim parlayed with Paarthanax, and let him live, and declared him off limits to the Blades, why do the current two Blades not respect that original decision and make contrary demands of us? The player is simply following in Tiber's footsteps by seeking the dragon's advise and then just letting him be.
Because she's Delphine?
The answer died with the release of the game.

EDIT:
i thought the dragon guards came into skyrim because they were chasing the fleeing dragons, and because they were in a new land they had alot of clashes and destroyed alot of villages/etc until the dragonborn of that time showed up and they fought him until he shouted at them and they realized what eh was and surrendered and placed themselves into his service under oath as a way of serving the dragonslayer AND to make up for the deeds they have wretched upon the land zeosly chasing after the dragons.
There were no longer any dragons for them to actually kill. Every single dragon in Akavir was killed during the war between Tsaesci and Po Tun

The only reason the Akaviri Army came to Tamriel was for crap and giggles (that is, to do what Aldmeri Dominion tried to do back then, conquer Tamriel). That is, up until now, when Reman Cyrodiil suddenly can use Thu'um
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:48 am

In her mind you need to be educated and so she's going to "educate" you by making demands. She's entirely off her nut, and besides that, she's being insubordinate. We don't have any option that allows us that answer and so we abandon the temple that can only be opened by us and we leave her and Esbern in our temple to plot and plan and become a future problem because we can't take control over them.
I think this pretty much covers it.

As you pointed out, you don't get any option that allows you to say anything to her that resembles what most real people want to say, as reflected by the forums. Not being allowed to do or say the obvious makes the world feel very limited and unrealistic.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:26 am

Too bad you Thalmor have no options. I don't even know why you try to roleplay sympathy for them. You're railroaded, more than anything else. Forget this talk about canon outcomes for the Blades or Paarth. Your side is really screwed...it's almost definite.

Uh, nobody here likes the Thalmor dude.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:15 pm

Too bad you Thalmor have no options. I don't even know why you try to roleplay sympathy for them. You're railroaded, more than anything else. Forget this talk about canon outcomes for the Blades or Paarth. Your side is really screwed...it's almost definite.

Not that I like that. It'd be cool if you could make options leaning that way too. It'd change a lot of things.

I think that there miiiiiiiiight have been an option to side with them. It's the only thing that makes Ondolemar's quest for the PC make sense. If Thalmor were supposed to be the Big Bad, why would there be a legitimate quest to help them? It's never happened in other TES games, that I know of.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:45 pm

i think it boils down to this, theres alot of changes in this game. The Empire is not the same empire that we grew to either love/hate from morrowind/oblivion but a brand new empire, the dark brotherhood is not the same as the real dark brotherhoods at first, the blades are NOT the same Blades that we either grew to love/hate in the previous games. It seems with delphie she is trying to maybe unintintionally change the blades by changing thier purpose from the blades of the previous games.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:48 am

I really don't get their motivation in the story. First they are helping you, because they claim their purpose is to serve the Dragonborn and to see Alduin destroyed, and then before Alduin is even gone they demand you kill Paarthurnax, and if you don't they then refuse to help you any further or even talk to you.
To me this makes no sense whatsoever. Do they suddenly not care about Alduin and the Dragonborn, simply because Paarthunax exists? It just seems silly and petty.


Parthurnaxx is evil.. He only acts nice because he new his rain of death would come to and end, when the dragon born comes in the future. So he jumped ship early and starts actin like a baby birdie with a clean soul.


Don't kill me... IM GOOD NOW!!!


lol... Whos buying this stuff... I guess alot of your are.. Fools.. MuahhA
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:04 am

Parthurnaxx is evil.. He only acts nice because he new his rain of death would come to and end, when the dragon born comes in the future. So he jumped ship early and starts actin like a baby birdie with a clean soul.


Don't kill me... IM GOOD NOW!!!


lol... Whos buying this stuff... I guess alot of your are.. Fools.. MuahhA

Lol, quit trying to troll Paarthurnax. Everyone knows he is good dude.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:51 am

Uh, nobody here likes the Thalmor dude.

Why are you quoting in agreement with a poster that has Elenwen in their avatar then?

On that note, I like Elenwen... she's oddly hot. So, there's one person who likes the Thalmor. At least one of them.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:09 am

Parthurnaxx is evil.. He only acts nice because he new his rain of death would come to and end when the dragon born comes in he future. So he jumped ship early and starts actin like a baby birdie with a clean soul.


Don't kill me... IM GOOD NOW!!!


lol... Whos buying this stuff... I guess alot of your are.. Fools.. MuahhA

Spoken like a true 12 years old...
it's not about right or false it's about decisions, like real life.. but to have no choice to make decisions is the worst decisions! But i don't blame the dev's for that i blame the limited time they had to polish the Game.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:50 am

why is it the "blades" stop having faith in you AFTER u destroyed Alduin and literally hundreds of the flying buggers litered across the map AND have adragon that fights and lets you ride him.....but after all that they lose faith in you because you wont kill the one person in the game that actually helps ya out without asking anything in return......

no matter how u put it, i cant wrap my brain around that....i destroyed alduin not once but twice and even traveled to sovengarde itself to finally vanquished him PLUS so awesoem i got a dragon for my beak and call to fight for me AND have mastered the dragon language itself from all the countless dragon souls that i STILL have an abundance in not being used because i cant from all the countless dragons i have single handely slain..........tell me again delphie Why u are such a better candiate or hell even have the right to 'educate" me on the matters of how to deal with dragons?
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:08 am

Lol, quit trying to troll Paarthurnax. Everyone knows he is good dude.

It all depends......

On my Evil Dragon Born i keep him alive just because..Hes an evil, lying, turn coat that will do what ever it takes to survive.. And he bows to me.

On my good dragon Born i slay him to honor the dead hes killed.

So what ever..

Reality is perception.. If the most popular idea was always the best then we should all get Beiber Tattoos...
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:49 pm

why is it the "blades" stop having faith in you AFTER u destroyed Alduin and literally hundreds of the flying buggers litered across the map AND have adragon that fights and lets you ride him.....but after all that they lose faith in you because you wont kill the one person in the game that actually helps ya out without asking anything in return......

She brings it up after hearing you flying on dragons.. It probably comes off like you're slipping away from whatever you did previously with dragons.

I agree with her. It is lame.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:53 pm

Parthurnaxx is evil.. He only acts nice because he new his rain of death would come to and end, when the dragon born comes in the future. So he jumped ship early and starts actin like a baby birdie with a clean soul.


Don't kill me... IM GOOD NOW!!!


lol... Whos buying this stuff... I guess alot of your are.. Fools.. MuahhA

Uhm. What?

Paarthurnax is probably the only "good" (as far as this game goes) character in the Main Quest. He's the only straightforward and honest one in the bunch.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:20 am

Spoken like a true 12 years old...
it's not about right or false it's about decisions, like real life.. but to have no choice to make decisions is the worst decisions! But i don't blame the dev's for that i blame the limited time they had to polish the Game.

Im 32... So you just proved yourself wrong.


And...

You also proved that you are really bad at judging people. Mistakes come in packages... fool.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:50 am

why is it the "blades" stop having faith in you AFTER u destroyed Alduin and literally hundreds of the flying buggers litered across the map AND have adragon that fights and lets you ride him.....but after all that they lose faith in you because you wont kill the one person in the game that actually helps ya out without asking anything in return......

She brings it up during the peace conference. And you have no choice to hear her complaints.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:13 pm

Uhm. What?

Paarthurnax is probably the only "good" (as far as this game goes) character in the Main Quest. He's the only straightforward and honest one in the bunch.

Yes... Hes soooo good with a murder count thats higher then Alduin..

Hes was Alduins right hand man,, his bro. He must of did all the killing... Then he heard about the Dragon Born comming and was like..."Im good now, im good now"...

Seriously...lol
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:49 pm

why is it the "blades" stop having faith in you AFTER u destroyed Alduin and literally hundreds of the flying buggers litered across the map AND have adragon that fights and lets you ride him.....but after all that they lose faith in you because you wont kill the one person in the game that actually helps ya out without asking anything in return......
To put in perspective, Paarturnax is the only entity that gives you the idea of using an Elder Scroll, and where to actually use it in the first place.

If you think about it, Delphine purposely do not ask you to kill Paarturnax when you can't kill Alduin without his help. Once his role is over, is when Delphine starts her plan
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:47 pm

Why are you quoting in agreement with a poster that has Elenwen in their avatar then?

On that note, I like Elenwen... she's oddly hot. So, there's one person who likes the Thalmor. At least one of them.

I don't about someone's avatar lolz, I care about what they say. What Elenwen said was true. That's all.

It all depends......

On my Evil Dragon Born i keep him alive just because..Hes an evil, lying, turn coat that will do what ever it takes to survive.. And he bows to me.

On my good dragon Born i slay him to honor the dead hes killed.

So what ever..

Reality is perception.. If the most popular idea was always the best then we should all get Beiber Tattoos...

Even on my evil characters I keep him alive because he is a source of power. The ONLY reason to ever kill him would be to join the "blades", and I definitely wont do that.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:48 pm

Uhm. What?

Paarthurnax is probably the only "good" (as far as this game goes) character in the Main Quest. He's the only straightforward and honest one in the bunch.

I don't think so. He's more like a beast, who's got a more sentient side that struggles with his primal side. People equate the fact that he stops himself from burninating the countryside every day as a good thing. In a way, it is good. I don't think good character though per se. Good people don't care to burn anything in the first place.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:35 pm

but after all that they lose faith in you because you wont kill the one person in the game that actually helps ya out without asking anything in return......

Paar = Ambition
Thur = Overlord
Nax = Cruelty

What does he do as SOON as you get rid of Alduin? He goes out recruiting like a new leader.

Don't get me wrong, I am still trying to get up the nerve as a player to kill Paarthurnax on a playthrough... and still... he's a dragon not a person and by his own admission Dragons are doom driven to mastery and control and dominion over others... it's how they're made. He might be recruiting to a good cause and it's still gonna make him the leader and master of a whole group of others.

lol

the point of the thread is that the blades' motivations seem strange... and I find nothing strange that a group of dragonslayers would want to slay dragons. what I find strange is that they're sworn to serve the Dragonborn and don't.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:20 am

Yes... Hes soooo good with a murder count thats higher then Alduin..

Hes was Alduins right hand man,, his bro. He must of did all the killing... Then he heard about the Dragon Born comming and was like..."Im good now, im good now"...

Seriously...lol

Dude, he has been peacefull for a thousand years, hardly heard you were coming and jumped ship. Get your facts straight please before posting.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Uhm. What?
Paarthurnax is probably the only "good" (as far as this game goes) character in the Main Quest. He's the only straightforward and honest one in the bunch.

I like that when you confront him about it, he is perfectly honest and admits that he must always fight against his own nature. But isn't that part of the definition of "good", fighting against the evil impulses of your own nature? And if he has been doing it for something like 3000 years as leader of the Grey Beards that's a pretty good record.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:17 am

Paar = Ambition
Thur = Overlord
Nax = Cruelty

What does he do as SOON as you get rid of Alduin? He goes out recruiting like a new leader.
Strange, my Paarthurnax is still there, he never went out. It's pretty much time for him to get some earthly air anyway, been too long since he had seen the world
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:44 pm

I don't about someone's avatar lolz, I care about what they say. What Elenwen said was true. That's all.



Even on my evil characters I keep him alive because he is a source of power. The ONLY reason to ever kill him would be to join the "blades", and I definitely wont do that.


My evil Dragon Born kept parthurnaxx alive too... :)

His record of death and destruction is quite impressive.. As long has he serves me he lives....lol

If only i could kill those good two shoes blades with my evil dragon born.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:50 am

My evil Dragon Born kept parthurnaxx alive too... :smile:

His record of death and destruction is quite impressive.. As long has he serves me he lives....lol

If only i could kill those good two shoes blades with my evil dragon born.

I said even my evil characters I keep him alive because all of my good sided ones do too. You have a "warped" sense of morality here.
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