I didn't say that you are 12 yrs old i said you speak like a 12 years old with a sarcastic wink.
Don't take it personal, i don't know you and neither do i care if you are 12 or 32 it's just footnote to what i really wanted to say..

My facts are straight buddy... Why don't you relax.

And what if Osama Bin Ladin was peaceful for a thousand years...lmao... fool.


He jumped ship because he new his death was comming.. If you think anything else you played right into his hands.

A thousand years means nothing to dragons..

just a point of clarification here... ummm

depending on whether you're doing the Summit or have gone all the way Imperial or Stormcloak and depending on whether you go to Paarthurnax or Esbern to learn Odaving's name and a number of other factors that can really change the flow of this little section of the quest chain you'll be told by either Esbern or Delphine that you need to end Paarthurnax at Sky Haven Temple, at the table for the summit and even once on my way IN to the Summit at High Hrothgar because they were still in the hall.

also... this isn't a debate easily won in a forum, guys... evil is as evil did or evil is as evil does and if I had to draft Paarthurnax as a character in an RPG I'd have a really hard time because he's allignment deviated since he started too many times to properly chart without an interview with the dude... come on. He was "just a dragon" then he was the right hand dude to Alduin, THE WORLD EATER... and then he was the leader of the Tongues who became, through Jurgan Windcaller, the Graybeards... the last remaining real Dragon Cult if you think about it. And all the time he's struggling against his nature to do what he believes is the right thing... right up and to killing his brother and taking off to go recruit other dragons to the Way of the Voice.

are you what you were for always or are you what you make of yourself every day instead?

not really a question we're likely to answer here and now, huh?

If Osama Bin Ladin was peacefull for a thousand years, and then went on to be the only one to know how to save the WORLD and then HELPED you do it, yeah I say he gets a free ticket. He has shown that he can and has changed. You making up this story about how his fear for his life is what made him change is quite amusing, seeing as how that is isn't true. Play the game and get the real facts.

......Maybe... But i don't forgive and forget MASS MURDERS...

Unless im evil.. Then il buy em a drink.

Yeah, that's similar to those former child molestors who ask to be castrated, so they can't harm anyone from their impulses they were "born with". How about just chopping off their heads instead?

Oh wait.. I'm not going to get much agreement on that, I'm sure.

To put into perspective, Osama bin Laden was planning on kidnapping more political figures to raise money, while Paarthurnax was thinking of how to kill Hitler if he were to rise and lead Nazi again

If Osama bin Laden was peaceful for thousands of years, we would all be his disciple. Achieveing 100 years is already a great milestone, let alone a thousand, or thousands of years

Even Dalai Lama can't claim such a long lifetime. Talk about hardcoe real-life player. In perspective, this is year 2012

Instead of waiting thousands of years, he could've gone with Alduin

And Lady Kynareth privately asked for his help.

you are pretty obviously the sort who believes that there is no deviation of allignment and no changing of your path once it's been set out on. I feel sorry for you.

Please keep the name calling and unnecessary references to unsavory human history out of game forums. There's really no reason for it.

If he was truly evil as you say, and still a mass murderer, he could've not helped you at all. Guess where that would've led? The END OF THE WORLD. LOL please stop trying to paste him as a bad guy it wont work.

lets play the devil's advocate here, friend... how many dragons have you killed? how many have the Blades and previous Dragonborns killed? 10,000,000 humans/humanoid lifeforms on the planet-100 dragons is the ratio and you've killed what, 30? 40? Makes you a mass murderer. Or were you defending? we knew from the start that the dragons could talk, they were our masters before we rebelled. when has there ever been a summit of peace? Through Paarthurnax and Odaving there is a chance that that might just be able to happen... and just what might happen if Odaving shows up and says "You know, you piece of mortal crap... I helped you once because your thu'um is strong and I've decided that you must stand accountable to the many dragons you killed without first opening dialog with them and asking if peace was possible. I cannot help you here because I do not forgive your crimes."

I don't think he's a bad guy, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are disastrous consequences to saving him. Just like there will probably be disastrous consequences to helping Delphine. It's only fair to keep it up in the air.. at least for the sake of having interesting stories.

If Paarthurnax is out and about again, trying to convert his kin, then what's to stop him from gradually growing more frustrated with their insolence? Because they won't listen to him. Sooner or later, he's going to want to dominate them. Sooner or later, he's going to miss a beat with maintaining his inner chill. And when that happens, he's going to find himself LIKING it again.

As for Delphine, she'll probably grow even more contentious and domininating. Esbern will always be a good old dude, but she won't remain on your side for long, I imagine.

Or you can believe that one side is ALL GOOD and one side is ALL BAD, and that siding with Paarthurnax is "canon", the blades die off, and you can live happilly ever after. I'd say that's totally not going to happen though.

Well what game am i playing Mr Smart guy?..lmao.

Do yourself a favour and smoke your favorite herb and stare at Alduins wall for a long..long time.

You'll get it.

Besides classic eltist evi is.. Pretend to be good until the one thing in your path stopping you from being the BEST evil you can be is out of your way.

Would you like a million examples of this from the tons of books/media iv'e read and watched.. Because i can go on all day.

MuahhAa

did you talk to him when you got back from killing Alduin?

I went back a few days later and he still wasn't back up there so I presumed he was just gone recruiting forever... he definately flew away while I was up there. I talked to him, then Odaving who is also up there at the Throat of the World and tried to talk to a couple of other dragons who were up there. I kinda wish he'd stayed because the character that noticed that was the character who will likely retire to become a graybeard in her older years. LOL

Hes still there on my evil Dragon Borns game... Bowing down to me without question.

suggestion:

save game
fus ro da
we'll see who is bowing to whom...

I never got the impression that he served me so much as permitted my presence as company he enjoyed.

Well, I had a conversation with him, talking about how he's not exactly happy with helping killing his own brother. He did go for quite some time, but I found him again, he's willing to help me meditate again

Now that I think about it, perhaps my wording (especially the 'never' part) may have caused a confusion

Your not getting the facts, your simply making up what you want to roleplay. There is nothing wrong with roleplaying, but you cannot take what you make up and make people think it's fact. That is simply absurd. Paarthurnax has not been evil for thousands of years, that is fact. He helps you save the world against his own brother, that is fact. He has changed his old ways through meditation, that is fact.

He hasn't changed his old ways. He controls them. Slight difference. He has no desire to be as good as you think he is. "I am as Akatosh made me". He excuses his past by saying it's his nature.

Dude.. I already killed him with my Good Dragon Born.

My evil Dragon Born would tear his bones out in seconds...Just sayin. .Hes likes Parthurnaxx's evil, lying, backtsbabing, wagon jumping ways.

Like Megatron loves Star Scream..

Evil recognize evil.

Clearly we can see you are "trolling" here wanting to get reactions from everybody. I will not respond to you anymore.

He helps me save world so i can kill adluin..

Thats like paying another person to wipe another person out just so you can have his job.

And for god sakes my facts are straight.. You just don't like how I stack my facts up ... So lets take to this to judge judy....

Yes.. Because a different opinion means trolling..

I hate people that use the word trolling only because someone has a different opinion.. So ya, don't respond.

Like i care...lmao.

Just on a side note, dragon names are themselves words of power.

"Paarthurnax" (Paar-thur-nax) actually translates as "ambition, overlord, cruelty" or "Cruel and ambitious overlord". Subtle? xD - I still save him though...

I'm logging in and checking asap... that's cool. I must not have waited long enough for him to come back.

lol

and that brings us to the next question that so many threads have tried to answer in focused debate...

am I evil for what I have done or am I good for what I am doing regardless of what I have done?

he was clearly named to be a cruel and ambitious overlord, sort of like naming your kid Alexander knowing the name means great leader, back when the dragons still ruled the humans... and way back then he was one rightiously evil dude... and since then he has evolved and changed and lived entirely differently... is Paarthurnax ironically named now as a teacher of peace and strength through meditation and self control or is he still the cruel overlord using his dragonborn puppet and his dragon cult to take the power from his brother that he could not take alone?

The character I created to kill him still hasn't. I just can't. I keep finding reasons to do something else. Why? Because I really like her and I'm afraid I'll do it and I wont like her anymore. LOL