Do the Blades' motives make any sense?

Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:44 pm

Just on a side note, dragon names are themselves words of power.

"Paarthurnax" (Paar-thur-nax) actually translates as "ambition, overlord, cruelty" or "Cruel and ambitious overlord". Subtle? xD - I still save him though...
Names don't make you live up to it. Grelod the Kind is one good example.

An example in real world would be the alternate form of "Richard", that is d**k, (you know what I mean), which in America means [censored]. You don't necessarily condemn your son when you name him d**k

See D**k Cheney for reference ;)
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:40 am

I don't think you're evil for choosing to side with him.. I see it as a buildup for tragedy though. At least, that's how I would write it. And who am I? No one, of course. Maybe it is the happily ever after ending. Killing him as a Blade gives him the dignity to die with his benign nature in tact. I get the feeling that if you spare him, you're going to kill him anyways - and he will be lost, not the Paarth you loved.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:05 pm

I don't think you're evil for choosing to side with him.. I see it as a buildup for tragedy though. At least, that's how I would write it. And who am I? No one, of course. Maybe it is the happily ever after ending.

I think you're representative of a large number of us... the rules have been clear in our society for a really long time and in games even more so... never deal with a dragon.

I haven't killed him and I'm still not sure that the record keepers wont condemn me later for my idealistic naievite when it's Paarthurnax who leads our new dragon overlords and the oppressed peoples of Tamriel are praying again for a Dragonborn, this time one from the Akaveri who come from a land still populated by dragons.

I also can't deny that I wouldn't be really chuffed if the first DLC let me enlist the pair of dragonkin that I've managed to hold council with and use them to help me broker peace between the dragons and men and use them in my war against the Thalmor. LOL

Woot... Blades as the first Dragonriders of Tamriel!!!
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:16 pm

Also, on a total sidenote, remember that Arngeir says you're not necessarily the only dragonborn. Just the only they know about. Why would this line be included, if Beth didn't want something to hint at?

What if the side you turn down gets their own dragonborn?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:14 pm


I haven't killed him and I'm still not sure that the record keepers wont condemn me later for my idealistic naievite when it's Paarthurnax who leads our new dragon overlords and the oppressed peoples of Tamriel are praying again for a Dragonborn, this time one from the Akaveri who come from a land still populated by dragons.


Well, it's already said that this dragonborn is the last. That said, there don't need to be another since Alduin is dead they cannot come back to life, they can be killed like any other creature.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:09 am

Names don't make you live up to it. Grelod the Kind is one good example.

he was clearly named to be a cruel and ambitious overlord, sort of like naming your kid Alexander knowing the name means great leader, back when the dragons still ruled the humans...

In our world, yes. The metaphysics of the elder scrolls is a weird and strange place. One where simply walking the same path as something can make you become something. Dragons are something far older and far stranger than man - a higher gradient as it were. Things like names can hold power and are more than mere label granted by their parent (The dragons don't even HAVE parents in that way, they are the product, not the offspring)

I don't know for certain that dragon names DO hold significant power over their nature, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as impossible either, especially not for paarthunax who is only 1-2 gradients below a god :wink: (Paarthunax, creation/offspring of Alduin, aspect of Akatosh, )


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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:15 pm

As for motivations.. It's really simple. They see you as a dragonslayer. Not a friend of a dragons. It's up to you whether you see it that way as well.


Following that logic they should also ask you to kill the Dragon servant you get. Theirby making the shout useless.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:54 am

Well, it's already said that this dragonborn is the last. That said, there don't need to be another since Alduin is dead they cannot come back to life, they can be killed like any other creature.

Yeah, but killing the world eater changes things too. Esbern is the one who's studied the scrolls enough to know that a dragonborn changes the fate of the world. I don't know what the implications are, but it is something to think about.

This goes without mentioning the involvement of Akatosh in your life... I mean, he's created dragon breaks and is the literal god of time. Nothing is ever written in stone.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:35 am

(Paarthunax, creation/offspring of Alduin, aspect of Akatosh, )

Umm, Alduin did not create any dragons. He is simply their oldest brother.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:18 am

Well, it's already said that this dragonborn is the last. That said, there don't need to be another since Alduin is dead they cannot come back to life, they can be killed like any other creature.

I didn't hear anywhere that we're the last of the Dragonborn. In fact, the resident experts on Dragonborn can't even tell me if I'm the ONLY one... just that I'm the only one they know of. If my character were to have children they would, at least in part, be Dragonborn and the whole line starts over again.

What I said in my post was that the Akaveri come from another continent (to the East? of Tamriel?) and as of the release of this game and the books in it they still have lands around them with Dragons in them and cultists/races of dragon worshippers, including some Kajiit/Tiger looking folks who might have succeeded in becoming dragons. My point was that instead of a romantic minded Nord girl who used to be a mage before she became recognized as the Dragonborn and decided to spare a dragon that the peoples of Tamriel would pray for a Dragonborn from a land where dragons are enemies and who would save them and not make a dumb mistake.

My post was suggesting a future where by sparing Paarthurnax and not hunting the remaining dragons into extinction I set the world up for another period of time being slaves to Dragons... I was being funny. and apparently failing.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:29 pm

I didn't hear anywhere that we're the last of the Dragonborn.

It's in the prophecy itself:
When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world
When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped
When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles
When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls
When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding
The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn.


Umm, Alduin did not create any dragons. He is simply their oldest brother.
Thought Alduin was responsible for the others - if paarthunax literally the offspring of a god then that makes him even MORE prone to odd bouts of metaphysics
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:40 pm

I didn't hear anywhere that we're the last of the Dragonborn.

It's in a prophecy somewhere. "The world eater returns to devour the world, and the wheel turns and spits out the last dragonborn." Something along that.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:06 pm

I have an interesting question, or one that interests me, anyway...

The Dragons recognize the Dovahkiin as Dovah=Dragon and Kiin=Family or Related and recognize the Dragonborn as part dragon. Flawed in our inability to fly and our mortality and powerful in our dragonblood mixed with the many opportunities posed by our skills and abilities.

If the Blades purpose is to become dragonslayers again and to serve the emperor... and we are not the emperor we are only the Dragonborn... at what point do they make us the last of the exterminated dragons? Is this why Delphine who is pretty smart for a kinda bossy old chic who runs a bar and is a soldier in hiding doesn't let us call the shots?

Just a theoretical question about the purpose of the Blades.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:06 pm

Found it, pretty easily actually. The "Prophecy of the Dragonborn", generally attributed to the Elder Scrolls (and some times to the ancient Akaviri) tells that, at the end of time, in the wake of the World-Eater, the wheel will turn upon the "Last Dragonborn". http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonborn.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:07 am

Found it, pretty easily actually. The "Prophecy of the Dragonborn", generally attributed to the Elder Scrolls (and some times to the ancient Akaviri) tells that, at the end of time, in the wake of the World-Eater, the wheel will turn upon the "Last Dragonborn". http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonborn.
Already ninja'd your hard work ;) -Should've just scrolled up ^_^
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:41 pm

It's in a prophecy somewhere. "The world eater returns to devour the world, and the wheel turns and spits out the last dragonborn." Something along that.

Tale of the Tongues
Alduin’s wings they did darken the sky
His roar fury’s fire and his scales sharpened scythes
Men ran and they cowered and they fought and they died
They burned and they bled as they issued their cries
We need savior to save us from Alduin’s rage
Heroes on the field of this new war to wage
And if Alduin wins, men is gone from this world
Lost in the shadows of the black wings unfurled
But then came the Tongues on that terrible day
Steadfast as winter they entered the fray
And all heard the music of Alduin’s doom
The sweet song of Skyrim, sky-shattering Thu’um
And so the Tongues freed us from Alduin’s rage
Gave the gift of the Voice, ushered in a new age
If Alduin’s eternal then eternity’s done
For his story is over and the dragons are gone

and

The Dragonborn Comes
Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come

I'll go see if I can find anything about us being the last.

(lyrics clipped and copied from http://www.gamefront.com/skyrim-bard-song-lyrics/ )
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:36 pm

Already ninja'd your hard work :wink: -Should've just scrolled up :happy:

HA!, Got me good there. :ph34r:
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:07 am

nice... @Disleader and Ryuujin_o

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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:27 am

Blades: "Dragons be evil, can't trust dragons, paarth is an old meany-head who killed people!"

Blades: "Oh...that Odahviing one? You can go ahead and use him to kill people at your will, even though he's just as bad as Paarth. Except Paarth taught people the thu'um, Odahviing just got captured and now serves you"



Herp derp, a dragon is better at serving a dragon slayer then other dragon slayers are. Why do we need the Blades again?
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:41 am

I don't know why you blame the Blades specifically there. It's Bethesda's fault (i.e. plot hole). Not everything is a herp derp moment.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:37 pm

I don't know why you blame the Blades specifically there. It's Bethesda's fault (i.e. plot hole). Not everything is a herp derp moment.

Yeah, they pretty much broke the blades in this game. Beth should've seen how many people would not tolerate Delphine and put something extra in there to take care of it.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:33 pm

The Akaveri were Dragonslayers before they became an army of Dragonslayers that served the Dragonborn. Their first and most primary purpose was to be Dragonslayers. Delphine tells you right at the start that the Blades have been searching for their purpose since the last Dragonborn more than 200 years ago (Oblivion-Martin was his name.)

In the game there's a book that walks you through how the Blades were in all the capital cities of Tamriel and that as the Emperor's personal guard they were also keepers of intelligence about most groups in Tamriel and about certain individuals... like the Thalmor for the Aldmeri Dominion. In fact, I would suggest that it's exactly this power that marked the Blades for complete extermination by the Thalmor when more than 100 of them were found and killed inside the borders of the Aldmeri Dominion and then the Blades were ordered to be hunted and killed everywhere else.

Delphine has a Dragonborn to serve, swore to be a Blade and protect the Emperor and then was hunted for her devotion. Now Dragons are back and her primary purpose is clear again. No matter how she's going to go about it, she is a Dragonslayer and she serves the Dragonborn. Except we "fall in love" with Paarthurnax and spoil her perfect little future. A Dragonborn who is not a Dragonslayer wasn't in Delphine's plans because it makes no sense. We're born to absorb their souls and keep them from coming back over and over again, why wouldn't we be driven to destroy them all?

In her mind you need to be educated and so she's going to "educate" you by making demands. She's entirely off her nut, and besides that, she's being insubordinate. We don't have any option that allows us that answer and so we abandon the temple that can only be opened by us and we leave her and Esbern in our temple to plot and plan and become a future problem because we can't take control over them.

Her motives make perfect sense. She's a Dragonslayer who serves the greatest Dragonslayer of all time, the Dragonborn. We're the ones not making sense... if you look at it that way. I don't have to agree at all to understand it.

This is possible the most thought out response i have ever seen on these forums
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:29 am

I don't know why you blame the Blades specifically there. It's Bethesda's fault (i.e. plot hole). Not everything is a herp derp moment.

Well yeah, Bethesda is the one that pulls the strings behind all these plot elements and they've created the Blades in this universe to be as they are. We can't say that the Blades are anything else because we didn't make the game or write the story. Which is why I can personally write them off as just a filler group who I have no need to associate with.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:29 pm

I still like choosing them for rp reasons, plot faults aside. It's just simply where I see my character going. And where I'd personally want some story potential develop. I don't see him sitting around with the Greybeards.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:56 pm

I still like choosing them for rp reasons, plot faults aside. It's just simply where I see my character going. And where I'd personally want some story potential develop. I don't see him sitting around with the Greybeards.

Beth is definitely gonna have to be careful with their next game in saying what happened in this one. They will piss alot of people off either way.
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