I like what you are saying here.

It depends what's meant by "PC gaming". If what is meant is the making of games for PCs, no, it's not dead, it's not dying either.

However, one can argue PC gaming is already dead, and has been dead for years, because the games we play today on PC feel like are being played on a console. Game interfaces are being developed within the limitations of using a console controller, not keyboard and mouse. One just needs to look at the scrolling menus, the inability to fully map keys, character movement/actions, etc to realize that, in those terms, PC gaming has been dead for years.

I'm excluding Blizzard games (WoW, Starcraft etc) which are huge exclusives that have a large userbase, but they don't make a market. Blizzard's success isn't matched by anyone but Blizzard. It would be like saying that iOS gaming is on average profitable because there's Angry Birds. Blizzard is an outlier.

As for the rest, yes, Facebook/Indie games prosper on PC. They cost almost nothing to produce, appeal to the masses (no console hardcoe game can even approach Angry Birds/Farmville numbers) etc. PC is the lead platform for casual gaming, for sure, but that doesn't automatically make it an interesting market for the "core" videogame developers.

Not quite... well, just no actually.

Even if we do have no financial problem upgrading, we'd still ended up with games "unoptimized" for PC. If developers really do committing themselves to

quality, then they'd be optimizing their games on PC.... Like I said here... Butchered.

Is there an end to this ignorance?

Really, you think for a moment if money was made on PC developers would focus on consoles so much, when the PC userbase is 20 times bigger? Is everyone in the industry stupid?

DICE began development of Battlefield 3 with PC as the lead platform, made it a selling point in their marketing campaign, and when PC vs Console numbers came up in terms of sales, what did they do? They "admitted" they switched to consoles as the lead platform mid-development.

CDProjekt, the formerly PC exclusive house your nickname refers to, has stopped development of its next PC title to port TW2 to Xbox, and has (before even seeing how well TW2 will do on consoles) announced all its future titles are multiplatform.

Are you delusional or something?

Consoles the future ?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :lmao: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


I guess if you prefer quantity over quality, kinda like leaving Burgerking only to visit McDonalds for a snack.

oh well. :rolleyes:



Now i have been buying my games for more than 20 years but theese are some facts i know for sure.


Consoles has more Piracy, since all PC games stolen are inferior to the ones you purchase, unlike say Xbox 360 games where you steal a 100% true copy of the game, online mode works, singleplayer and achievements work.

Now here is the facts that everyone seem to forget, the console and pc games are on excatly the same pages, it takes no more effort to steal/burn a game to use on a xbox 360, since xbox 360 has a larger playerbase do you still believe Consoles are any better ?

Even the PS3 users has jumped on the train.

I have 120+ games on steam right now including all TES.

Just because i know where the door is, doesnt mean i have to walk through it.

You're the only other person that I have seen to say this. That's what I have been saying for ages now but nobody seems to pay any attention. It's bound to happen eventually but when it does is anybody's guess. I look forward to the PCC (Personal Computer Console) where games don't need to be cross platformed. What needs to die is all this silly system smack talk foolishness. We are all gamers and it would be nice if we were more united than what we are today.

Anyways PC gaming isn't dying. If anything PC gamers are spread out over a larger library of games because you have many older titles, many of which are still being sold and then you have MMO's and stuff. I don't just buy new games, I play stuff from the 80's onward. It's not dying anytime soon. Whatever the case, things change and hopefully in the future the change will be for the better.

This.

And I would add, that games are overall less expensive for PC, so with time, you save money in comparison. Also, I would love to put in some numbers of consoles that break, or die, and need to be replaced (like an average lifetime of this gen's consoles ?).
At last, needless to say, but you don't have to use a high-end geared PC to enjoy games, and moreover, you can buy PC components off from other people who are upgrading their rig.
You don't have to buy the latest wireless quantic fusion mouse & KB, there are also normal mouses and KB that are enough for gaming, especially if you aren't going in the competition scene. This is why the budget argument is, I think, completely off-target.

While it's true computers can give a hard time to maintain, it's also because of the variety of different possible combinations and choices. But choice is freedom. Think of it like a bethesda game : huge, open, possibilities all over the place, but hard to make completely bug-free, and even more enjoyable when you can tweak it a bit.

If people like TES games, I don't see why they couldn't like gaming on PC.

There are also all these marvelous indie games out there, it's a shame that when we talk about "gaming", most people only think about big blockbuster AAA titles and the like. Gaming isn't just these. Open your mind and challenge you certitudes... or maybe that's too much to ask.

I have PC and consoles, but if I was short on money (like when I was a student, or like many friends I know today), I would only be on PC.

An interesting aspect of the debate is that despite all the "consoles are for kiddies/casual gaming happens on consoles/console thriumph because people want to be driven" talk, once you look at numbers you see that:

- "hardcoe" developers are focusing on consoles. From Bethesda to ID Software to Square Enix to Ubisoft to Bioware to whatever, 99.9% of the industry is releasing core games on consoles first (or exclusively), with consoles as the lead platform. It's a fact, and there's reasons for it.

- "casual" gaming is the lion's share of PC revenue. Gaming revenue on PC is actually tiny before you account for casual gaming - from WoW to Facebook games to web browser games to indie titles.

This is due to several reasons (including the fact that, once you disregard core games, PC is actually by far the cheapest platform on the market, and thus the ideal target of casual gamers) but it's the most worrysome aspect of the entire debate, for me.

The question isn't if PC gaming is dying (it's not), it's what PC gaming is becoming. Because at this point core gaming can easily live without the PC platform, and PC gaming is racing to become something different altogether.

This is how the world turns friend. Every industry big and small is driven by cash, it disregards innovation in favor of sales or gimmicks.

It would take too long to list everything so I'll just list one item: touch screen mobile phones, no one really needs them.

i used to play only pc, but a few years ago i switched over to Xbox.. (i still play rts and mmorpgs on pc)
the graphic difference with multiplattform games aint that big anymore and thus dont justify to upgrade or play on pc.

McDonalds > BurgerKing

Everytime this thread comes up it gives me a chuckle. PC gaming has been "dying" for 20 years - still not dead! Can we give it a rest yet? :laugh:

That's because developers choose not to spend the time developing better graphics for powerful machines, goodness did you read a single post in this thread?

I think it's hillarious how all the big chip companies (intel, amd and nvidia) and all the motherboard manufacturers are literally kicking themselves in the teeth, by sitting idly by while the video game developers are pulling the rug under them.

A lot of them will still lock into contracts to make chips for consoles but that's besides the point, video card developers are the ones who will lose the most out of this deal because no one will be running around looking to spend ￡400 for the latest card when the graphics will be absolutely on par with the Xbox. Well done guys, poetic justice.

I realise this won't happen over night but it will eventually, because everyone is too busy playing it safe and not thinking about the future (except market research).

If it does happen consider pc gaming dead IMO. I agree consoles are already doing things like get in the net or play movies etc, and it certainly seems to be going to the direction that eventually consoles wil be nothing more than specialized pc's. But there's more to the pc than just being able to surf the net or whatever. If the interface and hardware in what we know as pc at some point becomes as rigid as it is in the consoles, pc is dead.

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