He specifically said that 80% of the sales of Skyrim were on console, that doesn't sound right at all. Usually PC sells an amount equivalent to Xbox, often (but not always) with Xbox slightly in the lead and PS3 last. It wouldn't make sense for PC to sell only 20% unless you're only counting physical sales.

EDIT: and as far as the whole PC-building skill sub-argument going on here; you don't need skill, the stuff all slots together like lego. What you DO need is knowledge and confidence in what you're doing.

And no, the next gen of consoles won't be as good as current high-end PCs of the time like the last gen. They'll more than likely have 1-1.5GB RAM and something along the lines of a GTX560/570, which will be cheap by their release in 2 years, what with the next moore's cycle coming with the arrival of the Keppler GPUs.

I own a high-end gaming PC and both Consoles (I don't even consider the Wii a gaming machine)The Xbox 360 and PS3 are now creaking-old technology so I can't see how anyone could legitimately vote those as "the future"

Maybe the Xbox 720 and PS4 will break a lot of new ground but for now the consoles are a very poor second with terrible control mechanisms.

It just means gnats can play games too. I'll stick with the PC.

aren't you the guy that admitted earlier that he was too stupid to use a pc for gaming

Actually, you probably end up saving money on the PC considering PC games are ￡10-15 cheaper than console games on release.

Im 27 now and had my own PC since I was 12. I've been seeing these "PC gaming is dead" discussions ever since.
It's taking a long time to die it seems.
My last own console was the SNES. Ive played on every console that has come out over the years, and I did enjoy them. Would I ever get one myself and quit the PC? No.
I would have liked a PS(x) to play Final Fantasy though. Or a Wii to play Zelda.
Now I could probably write pages on this topic. Listing pro and cons. Commenting on that "Facebook is keeping PC gaming alive" thing... seriously?
Is PC gaming the better gaming? Ultimately yes, in my opinion. But it has its drawbacks of course.
PC gaming will stay alive as long as people game on PC.

Edit: Also, whats with these random numbers concerning the cost of a gaming PC. Yes you CAN build a crazy rig for X amount of money. I'm playing Skyrim on Ultra settings with silkysmooth framerates using a 80 Euro motherboard, 104 Euro CPU and a 120 Euro Graphics card. And most console gamers have a PC that didnt cost much less that this on the side.

:whisper: That was going to be my next response to any comeback argument :spotted owl:

Neither of those answers are satisfying.

The only REAL reason PC gaming is "dying" is because developers want it to.
Developing your game for one or two setups of hardware is a lot more convenient than developing it so it runs on any combination of parts.

Piracy is a [censored] reason, people pirate on every platform.

It's a total myth. It's more that it hasn't grown nearly as much as console gaming has. Now some ridiculous corporate politician may pass off growth increasing slower than they'd like as a loss, but in reality that's not how it works.

PCs still aren't as affordable as consoles, but the price to build your own (which is not hard) is something like 1/4th the price it took a decade ago. For $600 you can put together not only a PC, but a rather powerful one at that, albeit not top of the line. That's not cheap, but it's nothing like it used to be with a $2000 investment then hundreds of dollars every couple years in upgrades. That used to be true, but not anymore.

A vocal minority of PC gamers will claim PC gaming is dying or dead because they pump huge amounts of money into preemptive upgrades for their systems then are upset when game companies make games to run on more machines, rather than limiting their revenue to the minority with said cutting edge systems. Obviously PC gaming would be FAR closer to dead if developers spent multimillion dollar budgets for such a small vocal minority of potential customers.

I'm playing Skyrim on the PC by the way, so that's no console vs. PC post. I just don't agree with the people that have the mentality of "I spent more money on my computer so I'm a more important customer!" and talk as if most PC gamers have computers as beefed up as their own.

Its not that PC gaming is dying, its that console gamers simply grew so much bigger in numbers than pc gamers.

still games like Gears of war,uncharted,kill zone,God of war,red dead redemption are praised for their graphics..not bad for old hardware huh?

not that i know of

Nah, because you have to give up online play for the other platforms, as the moment you go online with a pirated version, you are banned from online play forever.

On PC however, once you pirated the crap out of a game, you can just go and buy the game for it's multiplayer content. (if it's worthy)

Note: game is priced down by that time.

pc gaming isnt dying.
look at how many people were playng skyrim on steam. about 250k at the same time? then you have the pirates who are PC gamers, they are just an untapped market.
for professional gaming, either FPS or RTS or games such as LoL, the PC is the only choice. There is no such thing as a professional call of duty clan for consoles. Its like saying i am a professional fisher-man with a stick and string.
then you have the PC hardware market, which is massive, and is a true indicator of the extent of PC gaming because even pirates will need to buy new hardware. i dare say that computer parts used for gaming totals far more than hardware sales of xbox and ps3. its just a case of sorting out the industry so that the hardware manufacturers support the actual games which they profit from. One way to do this would be for the hardware and software firms to collaborate and agree on a deal whereby a proportion of hardware sales go back to the games developers, this way pirates would still be supporting the gaming industry and really, hardware manufacturers would have greatly diminished profits with no PC gaming, so its in their interest too.
Another issue is the PC API, alot of the power of the PC is wasted. If that can be improved then PC games will look generations ahead of console games. Microsoft will do their best to screw this up though to generate xbox sales.

Except you need to remember that 'consoles' are two platforms, and PC is the biggest single platform.

I do not think PC gaming is dying, but I do think PC games can be mediocre and being mediocre to such a degree that I find it offensive and repulsive. In this respect I can say that PC gaming is dying, because I do not want to spend my time playing games that are no good.

Just for the record, games consoles existed before the IBM PC was launched; but these arguments have been going on for over 30 years, many of which are indeed quite silly and haven't really improved with age.

Simple fact of the day, consoles are limited - severely - in what they can do. On a PC, you can modify game-code, download new additions, re-texture, you have more controls and control in-games.

Consoles aren't as powerful, either, as some medium-spec PC's of 2011.

This hasn't been true for a long time now.

Interesting way to put it, haha.

PC isn't dying. I agree with someone who said that some companies (and that includes some software companies too) wouldn't mind seeing it dying, but it's holding.

So you list console exclusive games and state they are praised for their graphics? The reason for it might be that people did not get a chance to see them on a PC. They might be then praised for graphics, but no longer on consoles.

Someone is in the dark ages

I didn't vote because you're missing a very important option:

"PC video games these days are console ports".

Also I really hope you're not one of those people who trully believes video game piracy is as bad as they make it out to be, not to mention the fact that console piracy is equal in %.
I would also like to share an industry secret with you, DRM is there to please investors most video game companies hope their games don't get cracked for the first two weeks, because this is when 90% of sales happen.

I know consoles existed. But for a long period of time, PC gaming simply enjoyed much more users than the consoles, until now.