The reasons why "PC Gaming is dying" : Othor Games

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:13 pm

There we go again -.-.

le sigh*

1. PC gaming is not dying. I do not even own a console, and i know a [censored] load of people that dont. Just because people dont see everything as a game (facebook crap, text based stuff, and so on) it does not mean they are not gaming. There.

2.Companies lose millions? I dont see employees of Bethesda or any other gaming company begging on the street yet. People download. half of those people buy the game if they like it, cause downloads are usually full of bugs,or cannot be patched/updated.

3.stuck on one game. So what? there are alot of people stuck on ALL KINDS OF GAMES. not just on WOW. that is just silly.

Later~

Henk.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:23 am

Really facebook is keeping pc gaming alive. That's just sad.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:12 pm

The problem with this kind of debate it's that it's ultimately just partisan talk.

PC gaming isn't "dying", but the relevance of the PC gaming platform in the hardcoe game market is fading. When games like TES generate 80%+ (sink that number in your brain, and ponder it) on FRIGGIN CONSOLES, you know something is off.

Budgets for videogames skyrocketed. In a world where developing Skyrim costs hundreds of times as much as what developing Daggerfall probably did, the PC gaming community, for a variety of reasons - from piracy to "who pays games 60$ lol" to Steam sales to size - doesn't sustain a market anymore.

The Witcher 2, the biggest PC exclusive of the year (barring Blizzard games that still didn't sell much more in the West), reached one million sales in six months. Uncharted 3 and Gears of War 3, two big console exclusive, shipped almost 4 million units EACH in the first WEEK.

We're not talking about change. The difference in income is insane. And those sales are full price.

I like PC gaming as much as everyone else, but you can't be blind to this. TODAY, the things who make money on PC are 1) MMO and 2) Facebook games. Like it or not, we've come to this.

This is true but I don't think it's really news anymore and it doesn't mean "hardcoe games" are just going to stop being made for the PC. Many devs will just port console games to PC as they've been doing, and it'll svck a bit for PC users, yes, but PC will still get some of the best games - or at least some of the most visually impressive and technically demanding - as exclusives because so much more can be done with PC hardware. There's a demand for such games. The only game I really feel like I missed out on by being a PC user exclusively, in quite some time, is RDD. If I were a console user exclusively, that list would be much longer.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:12 am

PC gaming is dying? The PC elitist breed perhaps, but PC gaming itself? Don't think so.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:50 am

so you better because you know your way around a pc... Right?

So you are basically asking that the fact that I have skills which someone else lacks means that I am better? In this case, yes. That's the whole point in acquiring skills...you know, to become better.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:33 pm

This is a [censored] flamebate thread. There are more PC players than Xbox players, PC gaming is going nowhere.

Also, you clearly haven't considered that the second hand console game market is huge, and developers make no money from that. Effectively they lose more money through legal second hand resale than they do through piracy. 'Crackers' (which is a questionable use of the word lol) have nothing to do with anything.

EDIT: Topic reported.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:41 am

I think console playing is dying. PS4 and XBOX720 will be released in like 2-3 years. Their prices will be ridicilously high 500-700€. Currently all the power has been svcked from XBOX and other consoles, and they are limiting the development of games.

True. And by the time they will be out, they'll already be outdated.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:38 pm

The problem with this kind of debate it's that it's ultimately just partisan talk.

PC gaming isn't "dying", but the relevance of the PC gaming platform in the hardcoe game market is fading. When games like TES generate 80%+ (sink that number in your brain, and ponder it) on FRIGGIN CONSOLES, you know something is off.

Budgets for videogames skyrocketed. In a world where developing Skyrim costs hundreds of times as much as what developing Daggerfall probably did, the PC gaming community, for a variety of reasons - from piracy to "who pays games 60$ lol" to Steam sales to size - doesn't sustain a market anymore.

The Witcher 2, the biggest PC exclusive of the year (barring Blizzard games that still didn't sell much more in the West), reached one million sales in six months. Uncharted 3 and Gears of War 3, two big console exclusive, shipped almost 4 million units EACH in the first WEEK.

We're not talking about change. The difference in income is insane. And those sales are full price.

I like PC gaming as much as everyone else, but you can't be blind to this. TODAY, the things who make money on PC are 1) MMO and 2) Facebook games. Like it or not, we've come to this.

I'd like to see where you're getting your sales figures, because digitial distribution figures are rarely, if ever, released, and make up the majority of PC sales nowdays. It makes sense that consoles would generate 80% of sales of skyrim on retail discs, but on total sales I severely doubt it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:31 pm

The next gen consoles will see the end of most PC games IMO. Developers will have a much easier time producing games for a standard system and it will be powerful enough to run massive games.

There will always be a certain type of game developed for PC though. Strategy will always be better with a good old keyboard and mouse.

The next gen console will simply be like a powerful PC whenever they came out. If a PS4 came out today it would be simply like a good PC. Battlefield 3 on ultra looks like a PS4 would look nowadays, newer consoles won't be the [censored], it will simply mean 2 years of decent multiplataform games, and after that they will get outdated again. I loved my PS3 for a few years, now I can't get over how terrible everything looks in it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:54 pm

True. And by the time they will be out, they'll already be outdated.

The new Xbox will probably be out next year so if its outdated? that dont matter, it will set the standard for 5-6years ahead anyway

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:33 am

'Crackers' (which is a questionable use of the word lol)

For the record, it's the correct terminology: hackers historically meant the more creative coders one might encounter, whereas crackers are those responsible for breaking into systems and other more illicit goings on.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:21 am

So you are basically asking that the fact that I have skills which someone else lacks means that I am better? In this case, yes. That's the whole point in acquiring skills...you know, to become better.

You still don't see it, do you.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:45 am

The myth that PC gaming is dying has been busted so many times, and I don't understand why some people keep bringing it up, unless they're looking for attention.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:58 am

The new Xbox will probably be out next year so if its outdated? that dont matter, it will set the standard for 5-6years ahead anyway

It does matter to people who want to enjoy their games with all the detail and features t has to offer. It doesn't matter that they will set the standard, since the standard will be much lower than what a good PC will handle, just sayin'.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:33 am

The next gen console will simply be like a powerful PC whenever they came out. If a PS4 came out today it would be simply like a good PC. Battlefield 3 on ultra looks like a PS4 would look nowadays, newer consoles won't be the [censored], it will simply mean 2 years of decent multiplataform games, and after that they will get outdated again. I loved my PS3 for a few years, now I can't get over how terrible everything looks in it.

I doubt the next gen consoles will be that amazing as they still have to be built to a budget that most people would be happy to pay. A GTX 570 by itself is about ￡300 and that is the top end of what a next gen console would probably cost on release.

That being said they will be a great injection in terms of what games can be produced

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:51 am

It's not dying. People have different tastes of gaming, some PC, some consoles. There will be always PC gamers.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:29 am

The new Xbox will probably be out next year so if its outdated? that dont matter, it will set the standard for 5-6years ahead anyway

I doubt the new xbox is out next year. It hasn't been officially announced yet which happens well over a year before they release. And what did xbox set the standard for?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:54 am

You still don't see it, do you.

All I see in this thread is hate towards PC gaming and feel the need to bash it using silly arguments. Point is PC gaming was big before consoles and will still be big in the days to come.

So what did I miss about your comment of me being better?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:47 am

So you basically say that you have no PC skills and that's why you use a console.

personally i dont think you need any skill just money,
but if your happy to waste 200+ on a graphics card 150+ on a motherboard thats your'e choice...not mine!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:14 pm

I'd like to see where you're getting your sales figures, because digitial distribution figures are rarely, if ever, released, and make up the majority of PC sales nowdays. It makes sense that consoles would generate 80% of sales of skyrim on retail discs, but on total sales I severely doubt it.

I think he's excluding multiplayer games as well as indie/small developer stuff, which are a large part of digital PC sales I think. I could be wrong I'm not entirely certain of the meaning of the term "hardcoe game".

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:21 am

It does matter to people who want to enjoy their games with all the detail and features t has to offer. It doesn't matter that they will set the standard, since the standard will be much lower than what a good PC will handle, just sayin'.

since Xbox hardware is the leadplatform in most cases, it sure will

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:17 pm

personally i dont think you need any skill just money,
but if your happy to waste 200+ on a graphics card 150+ on a motherboard thats your'e choice...not mine!

and that is the end of that

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:34 am

personally i dont think you need any skill just money,
but if your happy to waste 200+ on a graphics card 150+ on a motherboard thats your'e choice...not mine!

Partially true. You do need money to buy the hardware, you need skill to put it together properly, make it run and make sure it keeps runnig without issues, at least more skill than with a console and that was my whole point.

And yes, I am happy to waste 200+ on a GPU and 150+ on a mobo so that I can enjoy what I like to it's fullest.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:15 am

The new Xbox will probably be out next year so if its outdated? that dont matter, it will set the standard for 5-6years ahead anyway

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:18 am

personally i dont think you need any skill just money,
but if your happy to waste 200+ on a graphics card 150+ on a motherboard thats your'e choice...not mine!

Skill does help, if something were to go wrong it's beter if you can work out yourself or just use forums to fix it than pay over the top for a engineer to fix it for you.

And the point is people have PC's anyway to use for regular use, shopping, FB, online banking etc so it makes sense to me anyway to spend that little bit more to make it capable of playing games at decent quality as well.

If you buy a PS4 at launch that money could instead be used to upgrade your existing computer quite significantly, you're not saving money just spending it elsewhere.