[Darren]

Skyrim's vampires are almost exactly like Oblivion's. They did copy/paste most of it. I highly bet lore was an afterthought. Anyone who played Oblivion and Skyrim, and tried being a vampire in both would know this.

[Tamara Dost]

Click the link in my signature to see my reaction to some of the stuff that has been said on this thread, mainly about how Bethesda was not being lazy, and how Immortal Blood is not a credible source.

*thumbs up* Good one.

lol It's all in fun on my end.

[Chenae Butler]

*thumbs up* Good one.

lol It's all in fun on my end.

Thanks, but seriously, how can some of you defend Bethesda and say that they were not either lazy, or ignorant when it came to making the vampires in Skyrim.

[Channing]

How do you know they did so i want to see the proof before i agree that you are correct but so far i havent seen anything but arguments based of speculations and lets not forget the whining

If you're looking for a signed document by the Bethesda developers saying that they put no time and effort into Skyrim's vampires, you're not going to find it. However, there are many coherent arguments in this thread as to why it is so. It's unfortunate that you seem content to dismiss them as unfounded whining.

[Mark]

How do you know they did so i want to see the proof

Skyrim's vampires are almost exactly the same as Oblivion's. That's the proof. The differences are miniscule.

[jessica sonny]

Thanks, but seriously, how can some of you defend Bethesda and say that they were not either lazy, or ignorant when it came to making the vampires in Skyrim.

My best guess is that they love The Elder Scrolls, but don't wanna admit it's faults. They want to believe Elder Scrolls lore is sound and that the story is great. They WANT to believe Elder Scrolls is perfect because they enjoy the series.
I'm the opposite. I like it too, but I criticize it and call BS when I see it BECAUSE I want it to improve. I don't wanna see BS while I play Elder Scrolls, so I better shout and make sure the devs see it and see I'm disatisfied when I truly am. Lying to myself and to them? That'll only encourage more BS in the future. But apparently some people are content with lying to themselves...

[Victor Oropeza]

If you're looking for a signed document by the Bethesda developers saying that they put no time and effort into Skyrim's vampires, you're not going to find it. However, there are many coherent arguments in this thread as to why it is so. It's unfortunate that you seem content to dismiss them as unfounded whining.

No i dismiss them as speculations because neither you or i where there during the making of the game or the dlc to be so sure they were just being lazy,etc. How about you give something that can hold its ground without speculation

[Tikarma Vodicka-McPherson]

My best guess is that they love The Elder Scrolls, but don't wanna admit it's faults. They want to believe Elder Scrolls lore is sound and that the story is great. They WANT to believe Elder Scrolls is perfect because they enjoy the series.
I'm the opposite. I like it too, but I criticize it and call BS when I see it BECAUSE I want it to improve. I don't wanna see BS while I play Elder Scrolls, so I better shout and make sure the devs see it and see I'm disatisfied when I truly am. Lying to myself and to them? That'll only encourage more BS in the future. But apparently some people are content with lying to themselves...

QFT, unfortunately.

[victoria gillis]

My best guess is that they love The Elder Scrolls, but don't wanna admit it's faults. They want to believe Elder Scrolls lore is sound and that the story is great. They WANT to believe Elder Scrolls is perfect because they enjoy the series.
I'm the opposite. I like it too, but I criticize it and call BS when I see it BECAUSE I want it to improve. I don't wanna see BS while I play Elder Scrolls, so I better shout and make sure the devs see it and see I'm disatisfied when I truly am. Lying to myself and to them? That'll only encourage more BS in the future. But apparently some people are content with lying to themselves...

+1,000,000,000 for being way too true.

[Lynette Wilson]

My best guess is that they love The Elder Scrolls, but don't wanna admit it's faults. They want to believe Elder Scrolls lore is sound and that the story is great. They WANT to believe Elder Scrolls is perfect because they enjoy the series.
I'm the opposite. I like it too, but I criticize it and call BS when I see it BECAUSE I want it to improve. I don't wanna see BS while I play Elder Scrolls, so I better shout and make sure the devs see it and see I'm disatisfied when I truly am. Lying to myself and to them? That'll only encourage more BS in the future. But apparently some people are content with lying to themselves...

Pretty much, and I like to think that they don't want a game that is too hard because I feel like that is the direction Bethesda is heading, a game where there are no drawbacks to being a vampire or werewolf, and they do this by butchering their lore.

[stephanie eastwood]

Skyrim's vampires are almost exactly the same as Oblivion's. That's the proof. The differences are miniscule.

Yes but they still have similarities in the end. They fact that you think that they are lazy just because they didn't make vampires grab people through ice is just insuting

[kirsty joanne hines]

No i dismiss them as speculations because neither you or i where there during the making of the game or the dlc to be so sure they were just being lazy,etc. How about you give something that can hold its ground without speculation

That's... completely absurd. You're not willing to accept anything short of signed documentation, and are content to completely dismiss any argument that contains the slightest bit of speculation, no matter how logical or how much circumstantial evidence there is to support it.

This isn't a courtroom, you know. Bethesda is not on trial for being lazy with Skyrim's vampires.

Yes but they still have similarities in the end. They fact that you think that they are lazy just because they didn't make vampires grab people through ice is just insuting

AGAIN, you're strawmanning here. Go back and actually read our arguments, because there's more to them than that.

[Christine Pane]

I've provided evidence.

FATALITY---FINISH HIM

[Nana Samboy]

Pretty much, and I like to think that they don't want a game that is too hard because I feel like that is the direction Bethesda is heading, a game where there are no drawbacks to being a vampire or werewolf, and they do this by butchering their lore.

Currently there are no drawbacks to being a werewolf. Other than no sleeping bonuses.

[Alyna]

Thanks, but seriously, how can some of you defend Bethesda and say that they were not either lazy, or ignorant when it came to making the vampires in Skyrim.

I'm not defending Bethesda, I'm just against the aggression towards them.

They made a mistake with the vampires in Skyrim, I'm not denying that. Clearly things could have been done better.

But, these are hard working people than made a decent game. I'm not happy with the attacks on them, more so calling them lazy, or as some think they did this on purpose.

Stop coming on these forums and playing their games if they are such a bad company.

Vampires could have been better, they made a mistake. But it was not laziness, these games go through a lot of hands and choices are made that some designers aren't happy with. All this debate is based off a book.

But, I'm not trying to pick a fight lol, I just have a view that people disagree with in this thread.

[carley moss]

Thanks, but seriously, how can some of you defend Bethesda and say that they were not either lazy, or ignorant when it came to making the vampires in Skyrim.

I would not call them lazy but personally I think what happend was doing the phase through ice thing would be very hard to do and knowing skyrim trying to do it would most likely glitch out your character or break your game knowing how bethesda handles features like this. Plus removing stage 4 attacks this I disagree with but I think the reason why they did it is because many people would not be a vampire if stage 4 attacks were still in(if there is a mod I will personally add it back in).

I know many people who did not become vampires or cured it because of stage 4 attacks personally I hope there will be a mod that will add this back in what I think is happening is bethesda is having problem balancing the gameplay with the lore since if they made vampires or werewolves exact to lore it would lead to many frustrations to players. This is why I approve of the how can we improve vampires and werewolves topic cause many ideas there is about finding balance between the two.

The vampires in skyrim are not exactly copy pasted the immortal blood never described the stages of the volk vampires plus volk vampires have different innate bonuses to oblivion vampires instead of having reign of terror we have vampire servant instead of weapon resistance we have frost resistance.

Instead of shouting at bethesda calling them lazy and all the other stuff lets say how they can improve them which is a lot more constructive than getting angry we need to find a balance where the people who like lore and those would have easier gameplay experience.

[Gemma Woods Illustration]

Currently there are no drawbacks to being a werewolf. Other than no sleeping bonuses.

I know, and as useless a drawback as that is, next thing we know there won't even be that.

[Haley Merkley]

Pretty much, and I like to think that they don't want a game that is too hard because I feel like that is the direction Bethesda is heading, a game where there are no drawbacks to being a vampire or werewolf, and they do this by butchering their lore.

This is soo funny just because they might have had a mistake with the lore this makes Bethesda dev's lazy and butchers.

[Claudia Cook]

I'm not defending Bethesda, I'm just against the aggression towards them.

They made a mistake with the vampires in Skyrim, I'm not denying that. Clearly things could have been done better.

But, these are hard working people than made a decent game. I'm not happy with the attacks on them, more so calling them lazy, or as some think they did this on purpose.

Stop coming on these forums and playing their games if they are such a bad company.

Vampires could have been better, they made a mistake. But it was not laziness, these games go through a lot of hands and choices are made that some designers aren't happy with. All this debate is based off a book.

But, I'm not trying to pick a fight lol, I just have a view that people disagree with in this thread.

*COUGH*

Instead of shouting at bethesda calling them lazy and all the other stuff lets say how they can improve them which is a lot more constructive than getting angry we need to find a balance where the people who like lore and those would have easier gameplay experience.

and I agree with this, too bad they don't always listen, but with the lack of coherency on the forums..meh

[Melis Hristina]

My best guess is that they love The Elder Scrolls, but don't wanna admit it's faults. They want to believe Elder Scrolls lore is sound and that the story is great. They WANT to believe Elder Scrolls is perfect because they enjoy the series.
I'm the opposite. I like it too, but I criticize it and call BS when I see it BECAUSE I want it to improve. I don't wanna see BS while I play Elder Scrolls, so I better shout and make sure the devs see it and see I'm disatisfied when I truly am. Lying to myself and to them? That'll only encourage more BS in the future. But apparently some people are content with lying to themselves...

You really like to downtalk.

I call bs too. It can be improved. And I think elder scrolls is good, not great.

There is a difference between criticize and out right attacking and being insulting.

[Rebekah Rebekah Nicole]

This is soo funny just because they might have had a mistake with the lore this makes Bethesda dev's lazy and butchers.

Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they just made a mistake with the lore? You seem to be holding a double standard.

[Elea Rossi]

That's... completely absurd. You're not willing to accept anything short of signed documentation, and are content to completely dismiss any argument that contains the slightest bit of speculation, no matter how logical or how much circumstantial evidence there is to support it.

This isn't a courtroom, you know. Bethesda is not on trial for being lazy with Skyrim's vampires.



AGAIN, you're strawmanning here. Go back and actually read our arguments, because there's more to them than that.

Noo whats absurd is that you callthem lazy and butchers just because they might ave made a istake with the vampire's in skyrim and everything you argument with doesn't simply have little to no speculations but its completely based on speculations. Anybody can speculate that doesnt make you right

[ashleigh bryden]

Pretty much, and I like to think that they don't want a game that is too hard because I feel like that is the direction Bethesda is heading, a game where there are no drawbacks to being a vampire or werewolf, and they do this by butchering their lore.

I WANT DRAWBACKS.

So badly, I hated how they took away the stage four attacks.

People, don't misunderstand me. I'm not against you and for them.

I just am in a middle ground.

[Michelle Chau]

Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they just made a mistake with the lore? You seem to be holding a double standard.

Can you prove the contrary or can you only speculate on the subject...oh wait

[Sami Blackburn]

I'm not defending Bethesda, I'm just against the aggression towards them.

They made a mistake with the vampires in Skyrim, I'm not denying that. Clearly things could have been done better.

But, these are hard working people than made a decent game. I'm not happy with the attacks on them, more so calling them lazy, or as some think they did this on purpose.

Stop coming on these forums and playing their games if they are such a bad company.

Vampires could have been better, they made a mistake. But it was not laziness, these games go through a lot of hands and choices are made that some designers aren't happy with. All this debate is based off a book.

But, I'm not trying to pick a fight lol, I just have a view that people disagree with in this thread.

There's a book about how your worst enemy is actually your best friend.

If you screw up in life, what do your friends do? They tell you "there there, it's ok, it's not that bad and you didn't screw up!" They treat you to dinner to make you feel better, and soon you're laughing the mistake off, not giving a care in the world, having a good time with your friends.
Your mortal enemy? If you screw up, here's there. He's there to tell you how pathetic you are, how much you screwed up, and haunt you about every little thing you did wrong. He tortures you with it, challenging you, annoying you and taunting you. He makes you work how to improve, to become better so you can prove him wrong. He makes you watch your step and be careful so that you never screw up again, so that he'll never get a chance to beat you while you're down.

What do your friends do? They treat you to what's nice, they lie to you and give you room to be weak.
Your enemies? They mock you and challenge you, forcing you to improve.


If I have to be Bethesda's "enemy" to make sure TES 6 and FO4 are better about things like this, then so be it. I don't want to have to see another case of "Werebears? Where?"