[Jade Payton]

Well as detailed a world Skyrim is, and it looks amazing they could have spent more time on the vampires rather than work on unimportant and useless stuff like marriage.

Well, in the Dawnguard interview Todd did say that they wished they did a bit more with vampires, so they made Dawnguard. Although, they still didn't improve the base vampire, only the Vampire Lord.

[zoe]

Well, in the Dawnguard interview Todd did say that they wished they did a bit more with vampires, so they made Dawnguard. Although, they still didn't improve the base vampire, only the Vampire Lord.

And thus my thread was born.

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

Well, in the Dawnguard interview Todd did say that they wished they did a bit more with vampires, so they made Dawnguard. Although, they still didn't improve the base vampire, only the Vampire Lord.

And thus my thread was born.

This, the things that have been said in his thread are exactly how they should have done vampires and werewolves. But back to vampires they could have spent time fixing vampires, but they chose not to so they clearly were lazy in the beginning and they decided they would remain lazy and just add a super vampire form to appease the players who want something different from the Cyrodiilic vampires, but not too hard at the same time.

[Doniesha World]

And what evidence proves that they aren't Volkihar Vampires?

Also, the name of the Castle does count cause some castles are named after the family that lives there.

[Zualett]

And what evidence proves that they aren't Volkihar Vampires?

Also, the name of the Castle does count cause some castles are named after the family that lives there.

Yeah but Serana says there were owners of the castle before they lived there.

[kristy dunn]

Yeah but Serana says there were owners of the castle before they lived there.

But If you talk to Serana long enough, you'll learn that her family been living there even BEFORE the Empire so they have been there for thousands of years by now and the castle was prolly remade and renamed by now.

[Alycia Leann grace]

But If you talk to Serana long enough, you'll learn that her family been living there even BEFORE the Empire so they have been there for thousands of years by now and the castle was prolly remade and renamed by now.

We will never truly know, they also never come out and say they are the Volkihar.

[Horse gal smithe]

It doesn't seem like a logical concept.

Why would they name the castle that, if not because they were Volkihar Vampires? It's counter-productive to expect gamers to figure backward logic of castle name =/= clan name.

It's the razor. The simplest answer is most likely the correct answer.

Just because you don't like what they did, does not make this right.

This isn't a case of them going 'PSYCH, gotcha, these aren't really Volkihar vampires, harharhar'.

[jenny goodwin]

You cant prove that they are or that they aren't. Only speculation, but I would assume that they are Volkihar and that immortal blood is most likely fiction.

[Melis Hristina]

You cant prove that they are or that they aren't. Only speculation, but I would assume that they are Volkihar and that immortal blood is most likely fiction.

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

[Wayne Cole]

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

[jessica Villacis]

I think that Immortal Blood book is just fictional and highly useless.. I also think these vampires are Volkihar since they are unique unlike the common vampires.

[yermom]

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

[Lucy]

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

I agree.

[TWITTER.COM]

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

How does this make the game easier?

[Harry-James Payne]

How does this make the game easier?

take out stage four attacks,add in an uber powerful vampire lord form,sell like hot cakes.

[Melissa De Thomasis]

How does this make the game easier?

Removing NPC hostility, sun damage, nerfing fire weakness, totally removing any incentive to feed, and adding a super-form sounds like it makes playing a vampire much easier than it was before.

Edit: Sneaky kitty Ninja'd me.

[Mark]

How does this make the game easier?

take out stage four attacks,add in an uber powerful vampire lord form,sell like hot cakes.

Removing NPC hostility, sun damage, nerfing fire weakness, totally removing any incentive to feed, and adding a super-form sounds like it makes playing a vampire much easier than it was before.

Edit: Sneaky kitty Ninja'd me.

Exactly what those two said.

[Melung Chan]

take out stage four attacks,add in an uber powerful vampire lord form,sell like hot cakes.

I agree that taking out stage four attack was a bad more.

I have nothing against the vampire lord.

But, that has nothing to do with the topic of them being or not being Volkihar vampires. Them being Volkihar vampires does not make the game easier, that I can think of.

Just cause you don't like some things they did, does not mean everything was done to make the game easier = they trying to get more sales.

The Volkihar vampires or not debate only effects lore-fans, such as myself, not the public who dont know either way - for harder or for easier.

[Hearts]

Or Bethesda is lazy because as much as I hate to admit it I do think they are supposed to be the Volkihar, but Bethesda was lazy and they wanted to make the game easier for players that way they could make more sales.

Or, like said before, Immortal Blood book was fictional and useless.. And these Vampires are Volkihar vampires.. Heck, them being Vampire Lords is proof enough cause what if the Volkihar are the Vampire Lords and no other vampires are as so? Each Vampire Clan is like the common Vampire except they have a few additional abilities.. The Volkihar's addition ability is the Vampire Lord.. That could explain why the Quarra, Berne, and Aundae clans of Vvardenfell never had this ability. As well as all the clans from High Rock and Hammerfell.

[Matthew Barrows]

The Volkihar vampires or not debate only effects lore-fans, such as myself, not the public who don't know either way - for harder or for easier.

Agreed.

~Edit~

I personally believe being a Vampire is still hard cause of sunlight though sun-damage should've stayed..

I do not agree with removing the attacks.. Actually, I think they should've made it so you gotta use a hood to cover your face, or something like that, to stop the attacks.

But these are just gameplay techs.. Not the lore.

[Sunnii Bebiieh]

I agree that taking out stage four attack was a bad more.

I have nothing against the vampire lord.

But, that has nothing to do with the topic of them being or not being Volkihar vampires. Them being Volkihar vampires does not make the game easier, that I can think of.

Just cause you don't like some things they did, does not mean everything was done to make the game easier = they trying to get more sales.

The Volkihar vampires or not debate only effects lore-fans, such as myself, not the public who dont know either way - for harder or for easier.

At least we both agree removing stage four attacks was a stupid move.

I do not mind the Vampire Lords either, I just think that should have been a separate strain of vampirism not the Volkihar. And everything was done to make the game easier, they took out sun damage in the stages, the fire damage is useless, and the removed stage four attacks. Not to mention just reusing the Oblivion vampire mechanics so they didn't have to worry about players complaining about not being able to do quests since the Volkihar are supposed to be hideous monsters. So they did make things easier so people would find it more enjoyable so they would get more sales.

[Kayla Keizer]

Or, like said before, Immortal Blood book was fictional and useless.. And these Vampires are Volkihar vampires.. Heck, them being Vampire Lords is proof enough cause what if the Volkihar are the Vampire Lords and no other vampires are as so? Each Vampire Clan is like the common Vampire except they have a few additional abilities.. The Volkihar's addition ability is the Vampire Lord.. That could explain why the Quarra, Berne, and Aundae clans of Vvardenfell never had this ability. As well as all the clans from High Rock and Hammerfell.

The book wasn't fictional and useless until Skyrim messed up the vampires.

[Roberta Obrien]

At least we both agree removing stage four attacks was a stupid move.

I do not mind the Vampire Lords either, I just think that should have been a separate strain of vampirism not the Volkihar. And everything was done to make the game easier, they took out sun damage in the stages, the fire damage is useless, and the removed stage four attacks. Not to mention just reusing the Oblivion vampire mechanics so they didn't have to worry about players complaining about not being able to do quests since the Volkihar are supposed to be hideous monsters. So they did make things easier so people would find it more enjoyable so they would get more sales.

yep.
if people heard that playing as a vampire is a pain in the a**,im pretty sure people would whine and others wouldnt buy it.

[Andrew Lang]

At least we both agree removing stage four attacks was a stupid move.

I do not mind the Vampire Lords either, I just think that should have been a separate strain of vampirism not the Volkihar. And everything was done to make the game easier, they took out sun damage in the stages, the fire damage is useless, and the removed stage four attacks. Not to mention just reusing the Oblivion vampire mechanics so they didn't have to worry about players complaining about not being able to do quests since the Volkihar are supposed to be hideous monsters. So they did make things easier so people would find it more enjoyable so they would get more sales.

May I ask, would you kindly stop talking about game techs and talk about the lore idea of this thread?