[Leilene Nessel]

And our points of view are different. =)

But, it is changed, this is the way things are now.

And I really doubt Bethesda is going to offer an excuse or an explanation no matter how many of these threads pop up. It's their game.

exactly why I think beth is gonna give all future vampires a vampire lord form.
accepting BS,only leads to further BS.

[Leticia Hernandez]

And our points of view are different. =)

But, it is changed, this is the way things are now.

And I really doubt Bethesda is going to offer an excuse or an explanation no matter how many of these threads pop up. It's their game.

"It's their game" isn't exactly a good reason for not providing an explanation, but I agree they probably won't explain the change.

exactly why I think beth is gonna give all future vampires a vampire lord form.

Wouldn't be surprised. Some of their quotes seem to suggest it. When describing dawnguard, I believe there's some quotes like "we've never really explored the concept of vampires that much, though we've always wanted to give TES a unique style of vampirism that it deserves. Yknow something that hasn't been done before. So in Dawnguard, we decided to focus on that."

The quote went something like that, I forget exactly, but it was from one of the E3 vids for Dawnguard. At any rate, it DID seem to imply Vampire Lords are here to stay for TES.

[Tracey Duncan]

And our points of view are different. =)

But, it is changed, this is the way things are now.

And I really doubt Bethesda is going to offer an excuse or an explanation no matter how many of these threads pop up. It's their game.

Then that's their problem. I bet their sitting by and laughing their asses off.

Vsion! I respect this man! He truly cares about lore(somewhat).

[Austin Suggs]

"Extreme" is a point of view. Have fun in your middle ground, but I actually liked the lore the way it was before it was changed and modified in an unescessary manner. So unless Bethesda can come up with an excuse or an actual lore-related explanation on how everything changed, I will remain my ground. You may bow down and kiss Bethesda's toes all you want, but I'll remain where I am at.

Edit: No hard feelings.

Attacking bethesda is no better then "kissing there toes" but yet people here find the former to be more acceptable.

[Michelle davies]

exactly why I think beth is gonna give all future vampires a vampire lord form.
accepting BS,only leads to further BS.

I wouldn't be buying the next game then. lol

Then that's their problem. I bet their sitting by and laughing their asses off.

Vsion! I respect this man! He truly cares about lore(somewhat).

Probably. lol

Good go Werewolf&Vampire. We both made our points. It was fun. =)

[David Chambers]

Attacking bethesda is no better then "kissing there toes" but yet people here find the former to be more acceptable.

Because the former is more justifiable.

[Veronica Flores]

Then that's their problem. I bet their sitting by and laughing their asses off.

Vsion! I respect this man! He truly cares about lore(somewhat).

I dunno the guy too well or know why he gets so much praise, nor do I wish to trash talk him or anything.

But there was a thread back when the Dawnguard trailer first came out, slandering Vampire Lords for ripping off Underworld and not having an original bone in their body, while simultaneously killing off the original Volkihar concept. Vsions showed up in that thread and simply said "no worries guys, when Dawnguard releases I promise you we'll see we took our on unique TES spin on vampirism and vampire lords!"

So if you were expecting a response from him, he essentially already gave one. That was it.

[Gaelle Courant]

I dunno the guy too well or know why he gets so much praise, nor do I wish to trash talk him or anything.

But there was a thread back when the Dawnguard trailer first came out, slandering Vampire Lords for ripping off Underworld and not having an original bone in their body, while simultaneously killing off the original Volkihar concept. Vsions showed up in that thread and simply said "no worries guys, when Dawnguard releases I promise you we'll see we took our on unique TES spin on vampirism and vampire lords!"

So if you were expecting a response from him, he essentially already gave one. That was it.

Yes, I read that. He came up with Vampire Lord form and werewolves as well, at least he added them into the game. But sadly, they overlooked other previous established mythos and walked around it.

Would it be too hard to added an ingame book called "Immortal Blood II?" It would explain the Volkihar retcon and be a factual account of the change, then I would of accepted this much more happily than I already do.

[Joey Avelar]

Because the former is more justifiable.

Well since we are all here playing and talking about the game, it would appear they did something right.

[Mandi Norton]

Yes, I read that. He came up with Vampire Lord form and werewolves as well, at least he added them into the game. But sadly, they overlooked other previous established mythos and walked around it.

Would it be too hard to added an ingame book called "Immortal Blood II?" It would explain the Volkihar retcon and be a factual account of the change, then I would of accepted this much more happily than I already do.

I agree on that point there should be a new book adding to the lore on vampires or at least some explanation of the first book.

[Stefanny Cardona]

I for one hope they don't make all vampires have a vampire lord form.

And adding a new book in-game would be a good idea.

[danni Marchant]

Well since we are all here playing and talking about the game, it would appear they did something right.

[Brian LeHury]

Well since we are all here playing and talking about the game, it would appear they did something right.

Clearly it wasn't vampirism in Skyrim though, or else the vampire fans wouldn't be up in arms about it.

[OTTO]

Well since we are all here playing and talking about the game, it would appear they did something right.

I would say in this case it is something wrong since they started this huge controversy on whether these vampires are the real Volkihar or not. But what's done is done, and unfortunately some of us feel it was the wrong move on their part while some of us feel it wasn't.

Damn REL_Dovahkin Ninja'd me.

[Darian Ennels]

I would say in this case it is something wrong since they started this huge controversy on whether these vampires are the real Volkihar or not. But what's done is done, and unfortunately some of us feel it was the wrong move on their part while some of us feel it wasn't.

Damn REL_Dovahkin Ninja'd me.

Haha! Revenge is mine!

[Brandi Norton]

Haha! Revenge is mine!

It is still 2 to 1 since I have Ninja'd you twice.

[Krista Belle Davis]

Yes, I read that. He came up with Vampire Lord form and werewolves as well, at least he added them into the game. But sadly, they overlooked other previous established mythos and walked around it.

Would it be too hard to added an ingame book called "Immortal Blood II?" It would explain the Volkihar retcon and be a factual account of the change, then I would of accepted this much more happily than I already do.

Around it? They walked on it.

Also I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the original writing staff for TES is gone. Like after Oblivion, there's not a single writer or designer left that was there from the beginning. Morrowind had a nice chunk of writers still on board, Oblivion had a handful, Skyrim had 0. I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it sure explains a lot. It sure explains why Morrowind has libraries of lore, Oblivion has a decent handful, and then Skyrim's books? Skyrim's books don't add anything to the lore, save for maybe the Alduin/Akatosh thing. Other than that, they all just add little side-stories that don't touch on any other part of the lore or the TES universe.

[lauraa]

Around it? They walked on it.

Also I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the original writing staff for TES is gone. Like after Oblivion, there's not a single writer or designer left that was there from the beginning. Morrowind had a nice chunk of writers still on board, Oblivion had a handful, Skyrim had 0. I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it sure explains a lot. It sure explains why Morrowind has libraries of lore, Oblivion has a decent handful, and then Skyrim's books? Skyrim's books don't add anything to the lore, save for maybe the Alduin/Akatosh thing. Other than that, they all just add little side-stories that don't touch on any other part of the lore or the TES universe.

well that makes ALOT of sense.

[JUan Martinez]

Around it? They walked on it.

Also I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the original writing staff for TES is gone. Like after Oblivion, there's not a single writer or designer left that was there from the beginning. Morrowind had a nice chunk of writers still on board, Oblivion had a handful, Skyrim had 0. I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it sure explains a lot. It sure explains why Morrowind has libraries of lore, Oblivion has a decent handful, and then Skyrim's books? Skyrim's books don't add anything to the lore, save for maybe the Alduin/Akatosh thing. Other than that, they all just add little side-stories that don't touch on any other part of the lore or the TES universe.

I can see them being indifferent to lore if they aren't the original writers. After all, why be confined to someone else's stories when you want to make your own? However, you'd think if that were the case, there'd be a boon in new lore and stories by people trying to leave their own mark on it, rather than just leaving the lore to rot in a corner somewhere.

[Lady Shocka]

Around it? They walked on it.

Also I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the original writing staff for TES is gone. Like after Oblivion, there's not a single writer or designer left that was there from the beginning. Morrowind had a nice chunk of writers still on board, Oblivion had a handful, Skyrim had 0. I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it sure explains a lot. It sure explains why Morrowind has libraries of lore, Oblivion has a decent handful, and then Skyrim's books? Skyrim's books don't add anything to the lore, save for maybe the Alduin/Akatosh thing. Other than that, they all just add little side-stories that don't touch on any other part of the lore or the TES universe.

Yep. The lore masters said such thing. Now I can say I am dissapointed and saddened.

well that makes ALOT of sense.

Yes, it does! Perfect sense.

[Spencey!]

Yeah, its hard in long running games, with changing writers, to stay true to every little piece that was written in the past.

New writers have new ideas.

Mass Effect suffered from this too. (NO not the ending.) But, like little lore things were retcon from 1 to 2 and more from 2 to 3.

It's a pain, and its not right. What was done with vampires was a mistake.

But, I can understand where it came from.

[Jerry Cox]

Around it? They walked on it.

Also I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the original writing staff for TES is gone. Like after Oblivion, there's not a single writer or designer left that was there from the beginning. Morrowind had a nice chunk of writers still on board, Oblivion had a handful, Skyrim had 0. I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it sure explains a lot. It sure explains why Morrowind has libraries of lore, Oblivion has a decent handful, and then Skyrim's books? Skyrim's books don't add anything to the lore, save for maybe the Alduin/Akatosh thing. Other than that, they all just add little side-stories that don't touch on any other part of the lore or the TES universe.

Why did they leave?

[Robert Jr]

I would say in this case it is something wrong since they started this huge controversy on whether these vampires are the real Volkihar or not. But what's done is done, and unfortunately some of us feel it was the wrong move on their part while some of us feel it wasn't.

Damn REL_Dovahkin Ninja'd me.

The fact that people care at all means they did something right. If it was that bad that you didn't want to play there games then most people would just move on.

[Dan Wright]

Why did they leave?

Years pass, people's lives and career changes. Just the way it works with long running games.

[KU Fint]

The fact that people care at all means they did something right. If it was that bad that you didn't want to play there games then most people would just move on.

This is true, but if they keep disregarding their lore then people will stop caring, and stop buying the game because it will become obvious they are just out to sell the game to make money without evening caring about staying close to their lore.