[BlackaneseB]

Movarth only wrote it to be an idiot and to say that his kind is the best.. Common sense.. Seriously, the Governments around the world does that crap all the time...

As far as the whole 'blending in' thing.. That I believe that was more of a 'evolution' type of thing. FYI: The Common, or Cyrodiilic, Vampires evolved into having that ability, or maybe did got it from Viles, then the rest kinda followed and manage to the same ability via evolution.. I mean seriously, over 200 years had past.. That is enough time for a simple ability to be gained for groups.. Heck, that ability prolly been there the whole entire time and yet was never actually 'used' by vampires. Personally, I believe this is more of a Game-Tech than lore.

[Ebony Lawson]

To everyone complaining "Why vamps aren't like in the Immortal Blood grrr":
Did you ever thought how it would mess up the game ? Dweling under ice ? Sure we can be done, but:
1. As a vampire you must have watherbrething ability.
2. Have a lair under ice far in the north... Yeah, god luck finding victims.
3. Pass throught the ice ? It would work but it gonna be glithy as hell.

I wouldn't be suprised if Movarth has made up the book himself, to prove superority of Cyrodiil strain of vampirism.

Shouldn't vampires have a waterbreathing ability anyway because they don't need to breath. I thought I heard Serana say "It feels good to breathe again" on exiting the tomb. So what was she doing on the way out?

A vampire of a strain whose main strength is blending into mortal society really shouldn't glorify his strain by writing about it.

Another awkward possible retcon: what if Dawnguard vampires are the original Volkihar and Immortal Blood Volkihar were a better known degenerate bloodline that was wiped out at some point. And then "thinbloods" develop the disadvantages like greater sunlight intolerance and more overt supernatural features.

[Shirley BEltran]

watch beth make a future tes game and make all vampires from now on have vampire lord form...

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[Horror- Puppe]

And do we know when Harkon made pact with Mokag ? it could happened AFTER the pact between Cyrodiilic vamps and Clavicus. Maybe Molag didn't like that HIS vampires are begging for help someone else, and granted Harkon his blessing.

[Charles Weber]

I mean...the game is set how far in the future from oblivion? And Morrowind?

Things evolve.

[Steven Hardman]

Because someone added the book as fiction doesn't mean it is fiction within a fictional world. The facts in the book was correct, so was the character. They mistakenly placed it as fiction before Skyrim was even released. An error in the own right when Movarth appeared to be an actual character that lived in the franchise.

So you would rather believe that they mistakenly labeled it as fiction then to believe that the author either got it wrong or deliberately wrote a fictional book. I just read the book again and it seems he has not seen the vampires he speaks of in person. As the other guy is constantly correcting him on his facts.

[Solina971]

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I s*** you not,I actually think beth is going to do this to all future vampires.
honestly what is the point of making an ingame book that tells us about all the other strains of vampirism if it isnt true?

[Paula Ramos]

I have nothing to say, clearly none of you can understand that Bethesda decided to change the lore to make the game easier, and now if you excuse me I have to do http://static.tumblr.com/shh9znz/Mnzlit5ni/edward_norton_computer.gif and then http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4yfaohmbg1ronffy.gif.

[ruCkii]

And do we know when Harkon made pact with Mokag ? it could happened AFTER the pact between Cyrodiilic vamps and Clavicus. Maybe Molag didn't like that HIS vampires are begging for help someone else, and granted Harkon his blessing.

Harkon made the pact thousands of years before the Empire was even created. He is the oldest vampire we meet in the Elder Scrolls universe. ALL vampires are HIS creation. I don't think a clan would be stupid enough to run to another Daedric Prince if Molag Bal was their creator. Maybe the only way they could blend in was to make a pact with Vile, because it made sense at the time. Bal is all about domination, corruption, strife, malice, [censored]. Cyrodiilic vampires dominated the other clans, they sure as hell spread their corruption and "strife" by manipulating the masses, but their social backround and influential prowess is not owed to Molag Bal, because that is NOT his sphere. They owe it to Clavicus Vile.

It would be as if a clan of werewolves went to Vaermina asking for more transformations. Vaermina wouldn't oblige, since she/he is all about dreams and nightmares and visions.

[Isabel Ruiz]

watch beth make a future tes game and make all vampires from now on have vampire lord form...

I will http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac119/sasamipic/Mask_Salesman_rage.gif if the Whet-Fang vampires from Black Marsh are just copy-paste versions of the Volkihar.

[Undisclosed Desires]

So you would rather believe that they mistakenly labeled it as fiction then to believe that the author either got it wrong or deliberately wrote a fictional book. I just read the book again and it seems he has not seen the vampires he speaks of in person. As the other guy is constantly correcting him on his facts.

No, I would believe that Bethesda changed their own previously established lore to make things "cooler" or "easier". Like they did with MANY of their lore before.

[Yvonne]

All I can understand is people overreacting.

Yes, they changed the lore of one book to develop there game. Some things were mistakes. Not everything.

It's not 'They killed lore and insulted fans' or 'They did nothing wrong'.

There is a middle ground and its a lonely place right now.

[Rebecca Dosch]

Harkon made the pact thousands of years before the Empire was even created. He is the oldest vampire we meet in the Elder Scrolls universe. ALL vampires are HIS creation. I don't think a clan would be stupid enough to run to another Daedric Prince if Molag Bal was their creator. Maybe the only way they could blend in was to make a pact with Vile, because it made sense at the time. Bal is all about domination, corruption, strife, malice, [censored]. Cyrodiilic vampires dominated the other clans, they sure as hell spread their corruption and "strife" by manipulating the masses, but their social backround and influential prowess is not owed to Molag Bal, because that is NOT his sphere. They owe it to Clavicus Vile.

It would be as if a clan of werewolves went to Vaermina asking for more transformations. Vaermina wouldn't oblige, since she/he is all about dreams and nightmares and visions.

It is Molag remember. Cyrodiliic Vampires are vampires at first, then politicans etc. The asked Clavicus to alter their vampiric abilities, it lies greatly in Bal's sphere of influence. I wonder WHY he didn't make anything about it...yet.

[Yonah]

All I can understand is people overreacting.

Yes, they changed the lore of one book to develop there game. Some things were mistakes. Not everything.

It's not 'They killed lore and insulted fans' or 'They did nothing wrong'.

There is a middle ground and its a lonely place right now.

You obviously do not feel the same as some of us fans do. Lore is important. And your opinion is just that, an opinion. Bethesda changing their lore is fact, because self-evidently, it happened. If you do not feel this way, then I ask kindly you use the exit.

Exit: ------------------->

[Kill Bill]

I sense a bit of tension in the thread,please lets keep this civil lets not force the mods into locking this one up to

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I sense a bit of tension in the thread,please lets keep this civil lets not force the mods into locking this one up to

No one is flaming anyone, so as long as we do not insult one another by calling each other "idiots" or anything vulgar, we are in the clear.

[Claire Lynham]

Let's http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/princessaili/gif%20macros/tumblr_m5x1s6azlg1qjb37c.gif people I feel this thread may be nearing a lock.

[Vickey Martinez]

You obviously do not feel the same as some of us fans do. Lore is important. And your opinion is just that, an opinion. Bethesda changing their lore is fact, because self-evidently, it happened. If you do not feel this way, then I ask kindly you use the exit.

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I never said they didn't change their lore. Never. I don't deny that fact.

And your opinion is just that too.

I find Lore important too.

But, you are being overzealous about it.

I share the opinion that they changed lore, that they made mistakes, and yes to make gameplay easier and cooler.

But, I can share that opinion and keep a cool head instead of making that mistake the end-all for the company.

There is a middle ground. I'm sorry if I'm not as extreme as you or to your liking.

[LADONA]

Huh? lol I'm totally cool. I like debates. No tension on my end.

Edit: I'm sorry if I'm creating problems.

[carla]

I never said they didn't change their lore. Never. I don't deny that fact.

And your opinion is just that too.

I find Lore important too.

But, you are being overzealous about it.

I share the opinion that they changed lore, that they made mistakes, and yes to make gameplay easier and cooler.

But, I can share that opinion and keep a cool head instead of making that mistake the end-all for the company.

There is a middle ground. I'm sorry if I'm not as extreme as you or to your liking.

"Extreme" is a point of view. Have fun in your middle ground, but I actually liked the lore the way it was before it was changed and modified in an unescessary manner. So unless Bethesda can come up with an excuse or an actual lore-related explanation on how everything changed, I will remain my ground. You may bow down and kiss Bethesda's toes all you want, but I'll remain where I am at.

Edit: No hard feelings.

[courtnay]

No one is flaming anyone, so as long as we do not insult one another by calling each other "idiots" or anything vulgar, we are in the clear.

There haven't been insult thrown yet but there have been a lot of sarcasm which leads to bad tempers

[Anna Beattie]

This whole thing wouldn't be an issue if they at least made the Volkihar have a separate feeding system than the Cyrodiilic vampires, and they kept the vanilla Skyrim vampires as the Cyrodiilic vampires, also keep certain NPCs as Cyrodiilic vampires like Alva, Movarth and his coven, and Sybille Stentor.

Actually everyone should read the thread REL_Dovahkin made because that is how this how situation could have been avoided if Bethesda had done that to the vampires.

[Christina Trayler]

And our points of view are different. =)

But, it is changed, this is the way things are now.

And I really doubt Bethesda is going to offer an excuse or an explanation no matter how many of these threads pop up. It's their game.

[Enny Labinjo]

Huh? lol I'm totally cool. I like debates. No tension on my end.

Edit: I'm sorry if I'm creating problems.

Same here I love debating about these things.

[FLYBOYLEAK]

This whole thing wouldn't be an issue if they at least made the Volkihar have a separate feeding system than the Cyrodiilic vampires, and they kept the vanilla Skyrim vampires as the Cyrodiilic vampires, also keep certain NPCs as Cyrodiilic vampires like Alva, Movarth and his coven, and Sybille Stentor.

Actually everyone should read the thread REL_Dovahkin made because that is how this how situation could have been avoided if Bethesda had done that to the vampires.