A thread for non-anime fans

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:01 am

I used to watch some anime, read some manga. Can't stand the stuff anymore.

I hate the art style. It is simplistic and derivative. It sixualizes young girls. The men are androgynous or overly muscled. I hate the faces - the bone structure, the eyes, the hair, the ears, the noses. Usually the bodies are poorly proportioned as well. I dislike most of the subject matter: romances (human x human, human x furry, human x cyborg, human x alien), what is the difference between a human and a machine/cyborg, epic magical adventures by the Chosen Ones (who are stupid school brats), constant competition (racing, fighting, etc). I hate the costumes (ranging from the unrealistic to the truly bizarre). Character emotions, responses, and dialog is unrealistic in a particularly disgusting manner - ranging from "social awkwardness" to "grandiose thuggish boasting." The bleeding nose, the blushing cheeks, the sparkly, teary eyes, the pulsing vain in the forehead.... :yuck: The constant text for sound effects and motion. If you can't convey the motion with the picture, then just stick with an illustrated novel. "bad ass" poses for some unknown reason seam to always consist of a wink (one eye close), the tongue sticking out, and some gesture with the fingers. Go figure. :nuts: All the men look effeminate, clean shaven narrow chins with boyish (to unrealistic) hair styles, scrawny elongated bodies. All the characters look and behave like socially stunted children, thuggish brutes, egotists/narcissists, or six maniacs.

Bottom line: They don't look human, and they don't act human.

So, yeah, I hate the stuff. No compromises. I refuse to touch JRPGs, or any game with japanese animation art-style and character archetypes. Not in my video games, not in my webcomics, not in my comic books.

Here's a list of crap I lost hours of my life watching/reading:
Trigun (manga and anime)
Hellsing (about five of the manga novels, all of the anime)
Angelic Layer (all of the anime)
Magic Knights Rayearth (manga, volumes 1 and 2, each had 3 novels)
Cowboy Beebop (two manga novels)
Battle Angel Alita (about a half dozen of the manga)
Noir (the anime)
Alien9 (one episode)
Read or Die (movie)
Ghost In The Shell (manga, first volume)
and some other stuff I can't recall anymore


Honestly sounds to me like you just don't care for cartoons in general, and mistakenly project that as a specific dislike of Anime. :shrug:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:13 pm

A lot of the common misconceptions about anime could be cleared up if people actually, y'know, looked for anime that wasn't childish. It's not all that hard to find guys. But sadly most people will just say "Anime!? What, like Naruto and Pokemon? Please, anime is for little kids." I could say the same for American television shows. "American television!? What, like Scooby Doo and Johnny Test!? Those shows are for little kids." But wait, you say, Scooby Doo and Johnny test far from define American television! Well guess what, people with weird colored hair and over-sized briasts don't define Japanese television either. Japan has a culture, and America has a culture. Many people on here seem to look at this culture, see spiky haired man-ladies and think "Ha! Anime must all be like that, how childish." As much as I hate to use the word ignorant, that's what many of you guys are being.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:29 am

I used to watch some anime, read some manga. Can't stand the stuff anymore.

I hate the art style. It is simplistic and derivative. It ualizes young s. The men are androgynous or overly muscled. I hate the faces - the bone structure, the eyes, the hair, the ears, the noses. Usually the bodies are poorly proportioned as well. I dislike most of the subject matter: romances (human x human, human x furry, human x cyborg, human x alien), what is the difference between a human and a machine/cyborg, epic magical adventures by the Chosen Ones (who are stupid school brats), constant competition (racing, fighting, etc). I hate the costumes (ranging from the unrealistic to the truly bizarre). Character emotions, responses, and dialog is unrealistic in a particularly disgusting manner - ranging from "social awkwardness" to "grandiose thuggish boasting." The bleeding nose, the blushing cheeks, the sparkly, teary eyes, the pulsing vain in the forehead.... :yuck: The constant text for sound effects and motion. If you can't convey the motion with the picture, then just stick with an illustrated novel. "bad ass" poses for some unknown reason seam to always consist of a wink (one eye close), the tongue sticking out, and some gesture with the fingers. Go figure. :nuts: All the men look effeminate, clean shaven narrow chins with boyish (to unrealistic) hair styles, scrawny elongated bodies. All the characters look and behave like socially stunted children, thuggish brutes, egotists/narcissists, or maniacs.

Bottom line: They don't look human, and they don't act human.

So, yeah, I hate the stuff. No compromises. I refuse to touch JRPGs, or any game with japanese animation art-style and character archetypes. Not in my video games, not in my webcomics, not in my comic books.

This is beautifully put, summarizes all my thoughts on anime/manga/whatever the hell you want to call it. I cant stand how popular it is (although not so much in Germany), and I cant stand to watch a second of it.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:34 am

mmmmmeh :shrug: 'a thread for non-fans', odd

to be precise, there are some decent animated movies from Japan and then there's a throng of things I don't pay attention to

then again, I don't pay attention to any other kind of trash from any other place that goes around these days... I like my Looney Toones better
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:29 pm

A lot of the common misconceptions about anime could be cleared up if people actually, y'know, looked for anime that wasn't childish. It's not all that hard to find guys. But sadly most people will just say "Anime!? What, like Naruto and Pokemon? Please, anime is for little kids." I could say the same for American television shows. "American television!? What, like Scooby Doo and Johnny Test!? Those shows are for little kids." But wait, you say, Scooby Doo and Johnny test far from define American television! Well guess what, people with weird colored hair and over-sized briasts don't define Japanese television either. Japan has a culture, and America has a culture. Many people on here seem to look at this culture, see spiky haired man-ladies and think "Ha! Anime must all be like that, how childish." As much as I hate to use the word ignorant, that's what many of you guys are being.

Exactly. There are some massive generalizations among the people who claim they hate anime. Us anime fans are not all smelly otakus, and not all anime is about huge briasts and feminine boys.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:27 am

They all look the same to me. Western animation looks distinct, but anime looks the same once you strip away all the stuff they got on and their hair.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:22 am

Most fans ive met are when i babysitted my sister at a local convention (shes a massive fan). They all seemed like fairly normal people. Mind you i thought it was really wierd with people like from 20-40 dressed up in such strange attire. I mean some of the people old enough to be my parents dressed up like that, its just so wierd. Ive lived all my life and never seen anything like it. I was a lot like this lol:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/14269-ep033
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:09 pm

Hate any anime you want but deathnote is awesome, the rest I dont realy like, sometimes hellsing is good sometimes its bad, just watch some before you say its childish, however I agree about the look of animie characters most are femanine looking dudes with weird hair. What I find weird is my friend's friends bought anime character outfits from bleach.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:09 pm

I don't get it. I don't understand their facial expressions, like when their eyes turn into little black dots or their mouths become big white rectangles and their arms spin around.

The giant robots are stupid, the schoolgirl fetish stuff is just creepy and the 'comedy' makes me want to stab my own eyes out with big needles.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:32 am

Here is one thing I'd just like people to read and think about:
What anime did you watch? Was it Naruto? Dragonball Z? Inu-Yasha? These are called "Shounen" or anime aimed, specifically marketed and targeted at, young kids around 12 years old, particularly young boys. There is a reason these shows are childish. The reason so many folks see so MUCH anime that is Shounen in America is because that is almost solely what it imported over here, dubbed, and shown because it has a large target to hit. advlts demand much more from their shows, and there are also anime for advlts. Mature shows exist, but must be looked for by someone who lives in America or just about any part of the world that isn't Japan because the fact that they are not financially viable to be shown on foreign television because they are much more niche. Shows like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Neon Genesis Evengelion, and others are more mature, much more well animated (shounen, being produced for such an easy audience, often span 100+ episodes, while more mature anime usually average 24-26, around 12 episodes for 2 seasons), and generally less insanity inducing (unless you watch FLCL or something).

So for those of you with bad experiences with anime, I would ask you to try to get a hold of or watch (many anime distributors post their content on Youtube) anime aimed at an older audience.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:50 pm

Avatar is not an anime, and neither is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot, which was a Canadian show.

And I don't know anyone who would even mention Samurai Jack and anime in the same paragraph. They have little in relation, especially not art style.

Nor was Teen Titans an anime, but it certainly tried to be one (obnoxiously so).


not once did i say reboot was an anime, in that li'l article, it says it was on Toonami, which did have a few animes, but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know it isnt an anime, of any sort.

Avatar the Last Airbender is an Anime.

I know Samurai Jack was not an anime, the art style is comepletely different from any anime. how did you deduce that sherlock?

no need to state the obvious about Teen Titans, though i kinda like that show now.

now onto some more important stuff than the blatantly obvious. i dont like most anime, i cant understand how a show like Sailor moon can be liked, even understood.

although when i started playing Fallout, i got into watching Desert Punk, it aint bad. its not like Fallout by much, but it was something i was interested in at the time, this whole massive backbreaking briast thing wont go nicely though, one of the characters in Desert Punk, Junko, has ridiculous briasts.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:41 am

Shows like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Neon Genesis Evengelion, and others are more mature, much more well animated.

So for those of you with bad experiences with anime, I would ask you to try to get a hold of or watch (many anime distributors post their content on Youtube) anime aimed at an older audience.

The shows you listed are actually most of the ones I tried to watch, I guess it's just not for me. :shrug:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:23 am

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/14269-ep033


:lol:

I think I should go to that website more often.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:16 pm

and not all anime is about huge briasts and feminine boys.


But the best anime is about Feminine boys, though huge briasts spoil them a bit.

As previously stated the vast majority of what is shown on TV falls into the Shonen-adventure-fighting genre, If you're wanting something more mature and different you're best off doing a bit of research yourself and hitting up your local dvd store.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:44 am

The shows you listed are actually most of the ones I tried to watch, I guess it's just not for me. :shrug:

Have you seen Berserk or Ghost in the Shell? Those are much more mature than anything else advlt swim puts out.

Avatar the Last Airbender is an Anime.

I'm ignoring the rest of your post since you're being so rude, but Avatar is not anime. It's a western animation that imitated the art style of anime and blended it with traditional western animation.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:07 pm

Avatar the Last Airbender is an Anime.


Anime: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art and often advlt themes.

Avatar: Avatar: The Last Airbender is an American animated children's television series
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:31 am

Honestly sounds to me like you just don't care for cartoons in general, and mistakenly project that as a specific dislike of Anime. :shrug:

:o No way!

Cartoons I like
Lion King (movie and short series)
Aladdin (movie and short series)
Mulan (movie, Disney)
Robin Hood (animated, Disney)
Sword in the Stone (animated, Disney)
Peter Pan (animated, Disney)
Gargoyles (series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28TV_series%29 (series)
Cro (series)
Sinbad (Dreamworks, animated)
Road to El Dorado (Dreamworks, animated)
Titan A.E. (Dreamworks, animated)
Rocky and Bullwinkle (animated series)
Danger Mouse (animated)
and even more that I don't recall anymore

I'm a huge fan of animated cartoons that are artistically and skillfully drawn. I'm not as big a fan on the overly simplistic cartoons of the past decade or so (notably, most things on Cartoon Network). I'm not wild about full CGI, but I think the recent movie Bolt had the charm from traditional animations.

I also love comic books - I've got between 400 to 500 issues, and about 20 or30 Graphic Novels/TPBs. I will say one thing, I do like the first three Warlands novels with Pat Lee as the illustrator. The latter portion of Age of Ice was drawn by someone else, and I dislike that other artist's style.

I also like Farside, Garfield, and Dilbert cartoons. Oh, and the Dilbert TV series, that was fun.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:43 am

I thought I didn't like anime, then I realized Gundam, Ruroni Kenshin, et. al. were anime.









It was a sad day.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:56 am

you sure advlt swim doesnt have mature anime? desert punk, man. cant believe i'm the only one who mentioned it.

thats of course your opinion, and i still say its an anime.

why are you generalising it by region, is it an anime just because it was made in Japan, if that same series was made in somewhre else, would you say it would be anime? honestly...only generalising it by region.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:23 am

you sure advlt swim doesnt have mature anime? desert punk, man. cant believe i'm the only one who mentioned it.

thats of course your opinion, and i still say its an anime.

Well your opinion's wrong...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:55 am

I love anime, but I'm also extremely picky about what in anime I do love. In fact, I probably don't like the vast majority of anime/manga that exist. In all honesty, most of my love for anime is in video games. Whenever I see a JRPG with an anime style, I'll be drawn right to it. I don't know why, but I just like anime characters more in my video games. They fit the roles of "heroes" and "villains" much more...how do I put this...solidly? That and anime allows for much greater diversity in character design, whereas a lot of western RPGs feature boring (IMO) people wearing suits of armor, talking about justice all the time, etc.

I also love the ridiculousness that comes with anime as well, like the over-the-top humor and the exaggerated way the characters get involved and fight against whatever the enemy is. The more absurd, the better. For me, anyway. Games like Shin Megami Tensei and Grandia feel so bizarre and otherworldly, but also almost homelike at times. They take place in worlds I sometimes wish really existed. If anything, anime is just an insanely glorified reality, and that's why I love it so much. Reality as we know it is just plain boring to me.

I won't deny that anime has its problems, specifically with taking itself way too seriously at times, and often repeats things, especially the motives of villains. I seem to see a lot of bad guys in anime that have some kind of twisted Messiah Complex. It's really getting old. :lol:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:22 pm

not once did i say reboot was an anime, in that li'l article, it says it was on Toonami, which did have a few animes, but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know it isnt an anime, of any sort.

ive seen a few animes myself, but there are a few i cant stand, Sailor Moon is one of em, good lord i still remember my brother duck taping me down to the chair and forcing me to watch it. but i did watch Tenchi muyo, mainly cause it was between Gundam wing, and Reboot, love all three of em.

It just felt to me as if you were implying it, considering it was the only show mentioned in that post (and that example) that wasn't an anime. Sorry if I took you wrong.

Avatar the Last Airbender is an Anime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender
"Avatar: The Last Airbender (also known as Avatar: The Legend of Aang)[1] is an American animated children's television series...created and produced by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko, who served as executive producers along with Aaron Ehasz."

I know Samurai Jack was not an anime, the art style is comepletely different from any anime. how did you deduce that sherlock?

It just seemed to me that you believed some people thought Samurai Jack was an anime, in which I said that those two words shouldn't appear in the same paragraph. It was not an attack on you.
no need to state the obvious about Teen Titans, though i kinda like that show now.

It was pretty decent, its just a shame it had to be canceled right around the time it was getting good (And serious).
now onto some more important stuff than the blatantly obvious. i dont like most anime, i cant understand how a show like Sailor moon can be liked, even understood.

Well, you see, I was a boy and they were all girls. I was young! I didn't know! :cries:
although when i started playing Fallout, i got into watching Desert Punk, it aint bad. its not like Fallout by much, but it was something i was interested in at the time, this whole massive backbreaking briast thing wont go nicely though, one of the characters in Desert Punk, Junko, has ridiculous briasts.

Oh dear god. That character must have weights in her shoes to counter act those things.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:38 am

Well your opinion's wrong...

who is rude now?

back on to topic, i rarely get into anime, but i most definitely wont watch an anime thats too ridiculous. maybe some things arent feasable, about some of the anime i watch(how could junko run through the desert without her back practically snapping?) if not a thing about the show is feasable, then i will not watch it. it shouldnt be too ridiculous. it would make no sense...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:25 am

who is rude now?

back on to topic, i rarely get into anime, but i most definitely wont watch an anime thats too ridiculous. maybe some things arent feasable, about some of the anime i watch(how could junko run through the desert without her back practically snapping?) if not a thing about the show is feasable, then i will not watch it. it shouldnt be too ridiculous. it would make no sense...

So disagreeing with someone because they're wrong is rude now?

Hmmm guess I'm rude because I don't think the moon is made out of cheese too...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:17 pm

So disagreeing with someone because they're wrong is rude now?

Hmmm guess I'm rude because I don't think the moon is made out of cheese too...

You didn't say "I disagree with you." You said "Your opinion is wrong." Big difference, bud...
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