[Saul C]

So you give up before even giving it a chance? We aren't trying to convert here . I just would like less ignorance against anime.

Considering your other post in here, watching Lucky Star would likely send you on some sort of crazed genocidal rampage.

I direct you to my edit. I USED to like anime. I don't anymore. There is a reason for that. I USED to hang out with a lot of people who like it; I know what it's like, guys. I don't like it. I'm not ignorant. I don't like it BECAUSE I know it.

EDIT: The thing is, I hate a lot of Western TV shows as well, but I don't see a lot of the shows around here turning people into the equivalent of weeaboos.

I know it doesn't do that for a lot of people who watch it, but all of the anime fans I've known are like that. And I usually judge things by their results. I'm not one for generalization; I have seen Cowboy Bebop, Deathnote, and Inuyasha; and it's really the same story there as well.

:lol: Not sure if you saw my post, but we're on similar wavelengths.

Feels so good to get all that hate articulated and off my chest. :touched:

It does, doesn't it? I see so much love for it and I just want to scream on my keyboard!

EDIT: Just read your post.

Snip of greatness.

Sums up my thoughts and experience exactly as well.

[Marie Maillos]

Only veterans like me can take the physical pain and turn it into pleasure.

What are you some sort of masochist?

[Stace]

IMO it svcks most of them time. Does Dragon Ball Z count? If so than that's anime I like.

[Brian Newman]

Considering your other post in here, watching Lucky Star would likely send you on some sort of crazed genocidal rampage.

About to say that myself, for someone who doesn't like shows about sixualised teenage girls, reccommending a show about teenage girls that panders to the typical Japanese otaku is a silly move.

I'd suggest watching Kino's Journey, if you're ever willing to give anime another chance. Other than the art style it doesn't really have any of the things you hate about anime in it.

[Daniel Lozano]

I direct you to my edit. I USED to like anime. I don't anymore. There is a reason for that. I USED to hang out with a lot of people who like it; I know what it's like, guys. I don't like it. I'm not ignorant. I don't like it BECAUSE I know it.

Correction: You know what certain anime are like, most likely anime made for kids. That's like saying, "I used to like movies, but I don't like them anymore because the ones I saw svcked."

I'm just trying to put this into perspective for you, it's ignorance whether you are conscious of it or not. I am not trying to be demeaning, but when someone doesn't understand something and says they hate it, it just sounds totally wrong.

[Mrs. Patton]

I hate anime with a bloody passion that burns with the intensity of a thousand fiery horses.

But, I used to love a few animes when I was a little kid. I loved Dragonball (Z, GT, etc.), Tenchi Muyo, and Sailor Moon. But that's the thing, I liked it as a little kid. I stopped when I turned 11 or 12 and haven't looked back. Despite the advlt undertones in most animes, it's too childish for me.

Anime and manga come in all genres. After having watched um... possibly hundreds over the years, most of the series I've seen span the same range of genre as 'live-action' TV. Good cop dramas, mysteries, romantic comedies. The only difference is that these are animated. Although I would venture to say that actually on average they have more mature and interesting plotlines than most of the garbage live-action shows on TV.

The animation style is pretty much the same for all of them (drawing style as well as character movement and speech),

Not by a long shot.. I'd explain why, but I'm sure some anime art geek will rebut that with lots of examples soon.

themes are repeated over and over again,

Quite often true. Just like live-action American TV plotlines?

and the fact that there are advlt undertones in a lot of animes completely disgusts me when you see that most 'women' and 'men' are portrayed as extremely youthful and even adolescent or younger.

Just like live-action American TV plotlines?

Also, the way it consumes a lot of people (yes, I realize a lot of people have self-control and others get obsessed over other things) also disgusts me.

Meh, it's more funny than anything else. I have difficulty feeling disgust for people who enjoy a hobby that hurts no-one. Like the other usual suspects (eg recreational drug users, porm fans, bdsners), these kind of things get a lot of undue disgust for no particular reason. A lot are 'disgusted' for no reason other than to feel superior sometimes, I feel.

The obsession in some animes with large-briasted anime girls in school uniforms is also a completely disgusting theme.

Young women in their late teens are seen as attractive in both contexts. You see just as much obsession over young, attractive, large-briasted women in 'Western' TV. The only difference? Japanese schools have uniforms, and American schools do not. Same girls, same big briasts, different school rules. If American schools all had uniforms, the classic 'icon' of a young attractive woman would be wearing one too.

[Andrew Perry]

I direct you to my edit. I USED to like anime. I don't anymore. There is a reason for that. I USED to hang out with a lot of people who like it; I know what it's like, guys. I don't like it. I'm not ignorant. I don't like it BECAUSE I know it.

Sorry I didn't read all your post . I guess some people grow out of it as well, just as I with wrestling.

What are you some sort of masochist?

What the hell is masochist? :spotted owl:

[Milagros Osorio]

Not all shonen is bad at all, it's the cliches more popular shonen are full of that give it its bad reputation.

The vast majority of shonen is dripping with cheese and nonsense. It's a result of the target demographic, just as most Friends-style sitcoms are saturated with on/off romance plots based on stupidity between utterly unlikable characters. Still, shonen gets lots of undeserved hate, from people jumping on the anti-bandwagon so fast they have no idea where they're landing. I watch some shonen and can enjoy it even while knowing it's bad. I love Godzilla movies; it's fun watching rubber monsters whomp on each other, but there is no category those movies are going to be Oscar-nominated for. No one's too good to enjoy nonsense...there are just lots of people who think they are.

[Dezzeh]

Anime and manga come in all genres. After having watched um... possibly hundreds over the years, most of the series I've seen span the same range of genre as 'live-action' TV. Good cop dramas, mysteries, romantic comedies. The only difference is that these are animated. Although I would venture to say that actually on average they have more mature and interesting plotlines than most of the garbage live-action shows on TV.

Not by a long shot.. I'd explain why, but I'm sure some anime art geek will rebut that with lots of examples soon.

Quite often true. Just like live-action American TV plotlines?

Just like live-action American TV plotlines?

Meh, it's more funny than anything else. I have difficulty feeling disgust for people who enjoy a hobby that hurts no-one. Like the other usual suspects (eg recreational drug users, porm fans, bdsners), these kind of things get a lot of undue disgust for no particular reason, or people just wanting to feel superior.

Young women in their late teens are seen as attractive in both contexts. You see just as much obsession over young, attractive, large-briasted women in 'Western' TV. The only difference? Japanese schools have uniforms, and American schools do not. Same girls, same big briasts, different school rules.

Mind you, I regard most TV as utter trash and garbage.

[Oscar Vazquez]

What the hell is masochist? :spotted owl:

pain = pleasure

[jessica sonny]

They all look the same to me. Western animation looks distinct, but anime looks the same once you strip away all the stuff they got on and their hair.

So, if I am to take this a truth, you are saying http://deculture101.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/black_lagoon.jpg looks like http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Nogizaka%20Haruka%20no%20Himitsu/Nogizaka%20Haruka%20no%20Himitsu%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2002.jpg?

Like I said, feel free to not like anime, but don't overgeneralize.

[Star Dunkels Macmillan]

So, if I am to take this a truth, you are saying http://deculture101.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/black_lagoon.jpg looks like http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Nogizaka%20Haruka%20no%20Himitsu/Nogizaka%20Haruka%20no%20Himitsu%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2002.jpg?

Like I said, feel free to not like anime, but don't overgeneralize.

That's cheating - the style is Chibi.

@Alatur below: Sadist is someone who gets pleasure via inflicting pain on others. Masochists are people who get pleasure from having pain inflected upon them.

[Jynx Anthropic]

pain = pleasure

I thought that was called a sadist...

[An Lor]

I thought that was called a sadist...

Sadist gets pleasure out of causing pain, masochist gets pleasure out of receiving it.

[Jynx Anthropic]

I've never really understood the obsession with anime and Japanese culture in general over here in the west. I've seen a few different anime shows and I just don't understand what is so brilliant about them. The art style from one show to the next is quite samey and I just don't think it looks good, and the voice acting is often absolutely shocking. The stories also tend to be absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical, but that's an issue with Japanese media in general I find.

[Alyesha Neufeld]

Just like live-action American TV plotlines?

Exactly!
I can't believe the crap that's on TV these days. I don't know how it makes money, but it does somehow.

[Oceavision]

pain = pleasure

Oh no , just Lucky Star is um different........you guys I don't pull out Kagami I'm getting the itch.

[michael flanigan]

and the voice acting is often absolutely shocking.

If you mean the English dub voice acting, even we agree on that. It's shockingly bad 99.9% of the time.

That because the entire pool of professional American voice actors is like 40 people. Ever wonder why we keep hearing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_North in all of our video games?

[ladyflames]

I've never really understood the obsession with anime and Japanese culture in general over here in the west. I've seen a few different anime shows and I just don't understand what is so brilliant about them. The art style from one show to the next is quite samey and I just don't think it looks good, and the voice acting is often absolutely shocking. The stories also tend to be absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical, but that's an issue with Japanese media in general I find.

Agreed. I've read about ancient Japanese culture, samurais... the values don't really match up with my own value system, and I find little to want to emulate or admire. :shrug: It's the whole head-collecting thing and the ritual suicide that creeps me out. At least chivalry pretended to involve love.

Just different cultural values and stuff. :shrug: More focus on the "we" than the "me", on collectivism versus individualism, all that stuff.

[Ruben Bernal]

If you mean the English dub voice acting, even we agree on that. It's shockingly bad 99.9% of the time.

4KIDS
Oh god the pain don't even think! They ruined Yugi OH!

[Nancy RIP]

Oh no , just Lucky Star is um different........you guys I don't pull out Kagami I'm getting the itch.

Now you got mecurious what do you mean by different?

[hannaH]

Now you got mecurious what do you mean by different?

Nothing in a bad way. Just watch the first episode and you will get it I hope.

[NO suckers In Here]

The vast majority of shonen is dripping with cheese and nonsense. It's a result of the target demographic, just as most Friends-style sitcoms are saturated with on/off romance plots based on stupidity between utterly unlikable characters. Still, shonen gets lots of undeserved hate, from people jumping on the anti-bandwagon so fast they have no idea where they're landing. I watch some shonen and can enjoy it even while knowing it's bad. I love Godzilla movies; it's fun watching rubber monsters whomp on each other, but there is no category those movies are going to be Oscar-nominated for. No one's too good to enjoy nonsense...there are just lots of people who think they are.

I would have to at least disagree with the "vast" part. Shounen is just a target demographic where the bell curve of viewers sit. In fact almost all titles thus far listed as titles "to see what non-shounen anime look like" are in fact shounen titles.

Shounen titles can, and many are, quite good. Take for example Gunslinger Girl. You have cybernetic girls going around killing Italian mob bosses and terrorists on the outside, but the story is much deeper than that (and in fact most of it doesn't have to do with the killing, but is character development). It gets quite deep on what is you, how do you know your thoughts are yours and when it is right to disobey or do what is said. The girls a conditioned to listen to every order given and don't really know what it is to be human. I find that kind of deep-hitting stuff missing in a good many TV programs (though can be more easily found in movies).

[Louise Lowe]

If you mean the English dub voice acting, even we agree on that. It's shockingly bad 99.9% of the time.

That because the entire pool of professional American voice actors is like 40 people. Ever wonder why we keep hearing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_North in all of our video games?

That's because the Japanese seiyuus are more directly involved with the development of the series, and probably understand better what they are saying.

[Cheryl Rice]

That's cheating - the style is Chibi.

http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/image/nogizaka/nogizaka_04_01.jpg, still a far, far cry from Black Lagoon. Like I said, feel free to dislike anime, but try to at least avoid gross overexaggerations.