Ulfric Stormcloak is NOT contemptible

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:41 am

A few things first of all.

1) less stormcloaks meas more empire stability making less of a chance for thalmor to strike.
2) is what i read was wrong show me some evidence to prove that the book was incorrect
3) i believe what i wish, ulfric is scumbag, so are the thalmor, the empire isn't any better however to maintain peace, its better for them to be in skyrim rather then ulfric blind rebellion
While we are on the same side, I feel that I am obliged to correct you. Igmund, the current Jarl of Markarth, contradicts most of those claims. Ulfric did demand Talos worship in exchange for taking the city, but it was mostly Igmund who performed the executions in order to avenge his father who died at the hands of the Forsworn. The Bear of Markarth has some nuggets of truth in it, but it is not the ultimate source of information on the incident.
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Tyler F
 
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:52 pm

But yet he prefers division of the races instead of unity, you do the math of why he's racist!

Oh yeah... We shouldn't divide people who work for a living and people who are given a place to live and do absolutely nothing in return. I'm pretty sure lazy people divide themselves apart on their own.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:45 am

Dark Elves are confined to the Grey Quarter for one. They didn't do anything bad and they're harassed constantly by the Nords.

They don't do ANYTHING. They should be kicked out entirely and not given free room and board.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:13 pm

They don't do ANYTHING. They should be kicked out entirely and not given free room and board.

Name one Dunmer who isn't employed in the city of Windhelm.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:41 pm

Name one Dunmer who isn't employed in the city of Windhelm.

Name a Dunmer that supports the city they live in. They live to support only themselves and not the walls that keep them safe.

The Kahjiit only support themselves, but at least they have the decency to not leach off people. If you're going to live some place you need to support it.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:31 pm

Aren't the dunmer in that slum because they are refugees who don't have to pay taxes? The life they have is rough but i can understand that you will live in something like the gray-quarter when you are a refugee that does not pay taxes, especially when there is a civil war going on. The dark elves can live better, they just need to work harder for it.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:21 pm

Aren't the dunmer in that slum because they are refugees who don't have to pay taxes? The life they have is rough but i can understand that you will live in something like the gray-quarter when you are a refugee that does not pay taxes, especially when there is a civil war going on. The dark elves can live better, they just need to work harder for it.

Boom
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:08 pm

Name a Dunmer that supports the city they live in. They live to support only themselves and not the walls that keep them safe.

The Kahjiit only support themselves, but at least they have the decency to not leach off people. If you're going to live some place you need to support it.

Dodging the question I see.

As per your request:

Luaffyn helps keep spirits up in Candlehearth Hall, a vital job considering the dark days in Skyrim caused by Ulfric's regicide.

Idesa Sadri helps rear the Cruel-Sea child.

Revyn Sadri supplies the people of Windhelm with various goods and wares, and tries his best to make sure nothing ill-gotten is sold by him (contrast this with the only other general goods
dealer in Windhelm, a known fence for the Thieves' Guild).

Aval Atheron is a business owner who sells meat and other food products to the people of Windhelm and tries to help the living situation in the Grey Quarter.

Faryl Atheron is a farm worker who helps Brandy-Mug grow and harvest her crops.

Suvaris Atheron runs the Shatter-Shields' business, and keeps coin and goods flowing into Windhelm.

Belyn Hlaalu owns a farm, and again helps the people of the city get their daily bread and even has an employee. Without him, Adisla might be unemployed and possibly homeless.

Ambarys Rendar runs the New Gnisis Cornerclub, a place for people to come together and find kinship in rather cold, and troubling times.

Malthyr Elenil helps keep the Cornclub looking as nice as he can, which isn't much considering the Grey Quarter's run down and sorry state.

The Dunmer have made themselves an integral part of Windhelm's infrastructure, and everyone is doing their part. Now, you can say that they aren't doing their part for the war effort, but that's not the same as doing their part for Windhelm, and even that claim is questionable. They're helping on the home front, which is just as important as the battlefield.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:47 pm

Skyrim belongs to the Thalmors.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:45 pm

OK, about the Dunmer and Argonians.

What is Ulfric supposed to do? I see that many say "Boo hoo, Ulfric is sooo evil; for doing that to the Dunmer/Argonians!".
OK, so what would YOU do in his place? The country is at war (and don't start with "there wouldn't be a war if not for Ulfric). So, there is a war going on, resources are stretched thin. What should he do? Oh...let's kick the citizens of Windhelm that have bought property, out of their homes and put the Dunmer/Argonians there....riiight, awesome idea!

If there is no other room for them to stay, what are the options?? Yes, the Dunmer live in the Slums because that is the current available free space. Yes, the Argonians live on the docks because that is the current available free space.
When you are a refugee in need of a safe haven, you take what you are given and don't start asking for luxury and rose gardens, especially when the country that received you is in a difficult spot too!

Should Ulfric start expanding the city so he can provide same level of comfort for Dunmer/Argonians NOW? Come on people, this is not the time for that.

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As someone that has lived in both mighty fine conditions and had a quite rough period in my life, I know that when the going gets tough, and you really need a roof above your head from someone else, you shut your yap and don't start complaining that they don't have lavender scented oil in their bathroom.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:40 am

First this OP creates a thread about Balgruff being a scumbag and gives idiotic reasons for it. Obvious troll.
Now its Ulfric. Troll again
I wonder when would you stop trolling, maybe when all of the npcs are given a thread?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:00 pm

First this OP creates a thread about Balgruff being a scumbag and gives idiotic reasons for it. Obvious troll.
Now its Ulfric. Troll again
I wonder when would you stop trolling, maybe when all of the npcs are given a thread?

Dibs on "The Night Mother is a scumbag" thread!
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:09 am

First this OP creates a thread about Balgruff being a scumbag and gives idiotic reasons for it. Obvious troll.
Now its Ulfric. Troll again
I wonder when would you stop trolling, maybe when all of the npcs are given a thread?

It's not that he's a troll it's just he's carrying on the circlejerk that is the Imperial v Stormcloak threads. Most people have made a decision by now and most people are too stubborn to change their views.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:41 pm

He's an arrogant "rich kid" who reeks of entitlement and he's also prejudice against all non Nords. Case closed. :cool:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 pm

Ulfric is doing what he thinks is good for skyrim. The empire has done nothing but to sign away peoples rights to freely worship Talos in their own country over to a group of elves who thinks that man cannot be upgraded to god hood after he die. It is the empire's fault for the thalmor problem in Skyrim. The empire makes the laws and the thalmor is there to enforce it.

And if the empire didn't "sign away people's rights to freely worship Talos" there wouldnt be any "people" left in skyrim to worship anything. And "Ulfric is doing what he thinks is good for skyrim" is a bad point, i can say that the thalmor are doing what they think is good for the entire world (to benefit from some holy high elf presence or whatever), so does that not make them scumbags?

No Ulfric did not cause Alduin's return. Where do you get this notion from? Alduin returned because he could scent the Dragonborns presence. Do you honestly believe for a moment that Alduin wants anything to do with Ulfric? Alduin probably used something similar to a Aura Whisper shout to locate the Dragonborn. The Dragonborn was born with a dragon's soul (or dragon blood) so I'm pretty sure Alduin knew the difference between your character and Ulfric.

I agree the quote you had was kinda far fetched, but i think alduin returned due to luck more than "scenting the dragonborns presence", as explained in the main quest. Something about him being transported through time.

It's quite simple to understand. Right after the empire signed the treaty to ban the worship of Talos gave the Thalmor the authority to go to Skyrim to enforce the ban of talos. Many of the nords (Including the 2 nords, Ulfric and Galmar who once fought for the empire now is fighting against them) do not respect Emperor Titus Mede II simply for that reason alone.

Im pretty sure the empire had to submit to the thalmor, they didnt "give them the authority" willingly.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:16 pm

I always thought he was a bit of a scumbag.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:59 pm

Skyrim belongs to the Thalmors.

I support you unequivocally and fully :smile:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:50 pm

Ah, OP is a complete troll.

New to the community, so haven't figured out who's what, yet. Lesson learned.

Nah he's not a troll, a few of his previous threads were quite funny. Like that chicken resurrection one and the one where someone intruded on his naked character at home.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:13 pm

Hmm I see you have conveniently ignored my argument about Ulfric being a Thalmor spy...
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:14 am

Hmm I see you have conveniently ignored my argument about Ulfric being a Thalmor spy...
He isn't a thalmor spy, he is just a delusional man who gets manipulated by the thalmor, that's why he is called a asset and not a agent.
but so far Ulfric did exactly what the thalmor wants.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:37 am

Hmm I see you have conveniently ignored my argument about Ulfric being a Thalmor spy...
He is an asset to the Thalmor if the stalemate between the Rebellion and the Empire is maintained. They know a victory for either side will hurt their long term plans.
The side our character decides to follow is the worst possible outcome for the Thalmor, because almost every Dragonborn has caused an Elven Nation to fall to mannish ways.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:13 am

He is an asset to the Thalmor if the stalemate between the Rebellion and the Empire is maintained. They know a victory for either side will hurt their long term plans.
The side our character decides to follow is the worst possible outcome for the Thalmor, because almost every Dragonborn has caused an Elven Nation to fall to mannish ways.

This. As much as I hate joining these arguments, people who call him a Thalmor Spy can't read properly. If you actually read the Dossier you'd understand.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:37 am

My bad if I was unclear. I meant it is possible that he is a spy. As "direct contact remains a possibility" . This means that if the Thalmor contacted him there would be a chance that he would be willing to work with them.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:32 pm

I have q uestion for those who says that if the empire didnt sign the peace treaty then the thalmor would have wiped them out, then how do u explain hammerfell?

The argonians and khajits, both sides wont let either live in windhelm and the khajits camt come into any city no matter who controls the country.
So why is ulfric a racist when the other side the mighty empire does the same racist actions mmm??

Also the dunmer, I guess ill go step by step with them.

First off weither this gets thru ur head depends on both if ur a tes fan that has played back to morrowind and also if u think a jarl is suppose to spend his war efforts reserve on people who do not pay taxes to fill the coffers for repairs, that cannot be forced into service by any local jarl, that a majority seperated themselves to the grey quater to begin with to be away from the locals, that the housing they live in was free and didnt have to spend one septim, under the understanding and pact that they would take care of themselves.

Now as far as the one dunmer being forced to the grey quarter, she even states that the reason was ulfric was running out of room for the men coming in to fight for his cause. The house she lived in was free, she was allowed to live there. Ulfric still followed the pact BC he moved her to another house in the grey quarter so she still has a place to live. Yes it svcks but without the money spent on buying the house technically she does not own the house, she was just allowed to live there for free and because she does not contribute to the war efforts or towards taxes, she was moved and grped with the other dunmer who have not purchased their property either to give way to people who are contributing. All the pact said was tp live for free, and she still is living for free. Think of the houses that the dunmer live in as govt assit housing, they live for free but do not own the places they live in.

The 2 drunks at the entrance. For starters they are exstormcloaks so their actions do not reflect the grp as a whole. I feel Bethesda put them in there to give the stormcloaks a controversial thing to put them on par with the empire. The 2 drunk goes up and down the Allys at night cursing and complaining with put downs. They havent yet resorted to physical violence. Look at the nord culture. Bar fights are a favored past time, they do not see it being a problem yet BC no actual physical violence has yet been done and to them getting hurt by words is just being a milk drinker.
Also I like to point out the the woman neing harrassed is also racist but that gets overlooked BC shes put into the victim spotlight. Follow her to the docks and see if u dont get offended when u listen to her. When u listen to her replace argonians with whatever rl race.

Ulfric protects nord caravans and not the elven ones. Multiple reasons for that. One the nords are paying taxes and contributing so ulfric is doing his job to the people that are contributing to protect their property. Again why should he waste men and money to protect peoples merchandise that either will not contribute to the city or coffers themselves or the peoples who products are being are not paying to be protected?

Theres many more, but to me I dont think it falls on racism but mostly paranoia that is effecting the dunmers situation plus the whole not contributing finacially. The city is in a civil war thats housing the war hero criminal. They know its a matter of time before they gat atked. The problem that the citizens and ill even throw ulfric in there is that the duer havent taken a stand either way. Yes thats their right but by doing so ot has caused paranoia and agressive actions. The people dont know if they are being nuetral or if their being spies. If the dunmer stated they were for ulfric then they would have their stuff protected, the 2 drunks would have no reason to harrass them, etc but BC they havent taken a stand no ones gonna lift a finger on the chance that they may have helped the enemy or why even help someone whos outright refusing to help you by not joining the cause, paying taxes, etc etc.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:08 pm

My bad if I was unclear. I meant it is possible that he is a spy. As "direct contact remains a possibility" . This means that if the Thalmor contacted him there would be a chance that he would be willing to work with them.
In my opinion, the individual who contacted him directly would not live very long, unless Ulfric wanted the person to deliver the NO directly to the Thalmor. I think they can manipulate his actions up to a point, but He would not be a willing asset. Galmar would probably behead him if He showed any willingness to knowingly accept direct aid from the Thalmor.
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