Actually look at MW2 and BlackOps, both of those are played competitively, and on Consoles at MLG events. So to say that Consoles are not for competitors is a fallacious statement

The advantage of a mouse/keyboard is greater precision and timing. Depending on the sensitivity and DPI of the mouse, just small movements of the hand is all thats needed.

Because its been attempted, and PC aim crushes console aim every time. Its not a pride thing or a bias, the hand/mouse is just far more precise than the thumb/anolog.

I even heard it said that a decent player on a PC can actually beat a pro on a console controller, the advantage is that big. I think it was the game Section 8 where they figured this out.

if you play on PC you get to be a pompous ass where ever you go

Comparing competitive console play to competitive PC play is literally like comparing the special Olympics, to the actual Olympics.

This is not meant to be insulting, it's just that, console users are so severely handicapped by using such a horrible control scheme. An acceleration based anolog joystick control scheme is drastically inferior to the direct 1:1 control system that a mouse provides.

First of all, have you ever watched the special olympics? they do some insane things, they are still some of the best in the world.

Secondly, its still skill vs skill with even footing. If you want to call an anolog controller a handicap, then all the players have the same handicap. If I decided to have a competitive PC tourny in a game using only pistols, the guy on top would still tend to be the most skilled.

I'm not comparing the level of play, I'm just saying, that to state that there is no competition is a fallacy. Which it is, as there is competitive play.

I understand console users are handicapped (as I stated in my post the advantages of keyboard/mouse)

Ok you both missed what I was trying to say, the level of competition is equivalent, the training is just as hard (or should be), everyone's pushing themselves just as intensely. Everyone is still trying their best, maximizing their capabilities with what they are given. But since they are given different tools, there is a difference in results.

If you give me a rock and a hammer, and tell me to nail something together, I'll use both as effectively as possible, using everything I got to do the job in both situations, I know I can get the job done with both, but in the end, one's going to let me do the job more effectively.

So the only point that you're really making is that cross platform competition wouldn't work.

Gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that. First one is opinion, second and third are BS.

I believe thats something we can all agree on.

I think i can just direct you to my earlier post for this one.



Not that the players in either platform are less skilled, or less competitive, which seems to be the common assumption. In fact, getting around an additional obstacle could be said to take even more skill.

Again I stick by my statement, its something we can agree on, that cross-platform competition could not work.

Its a technological advantage that PC users have with the keyboard/mouse layout.

Yes everyone is better on a pc bottom line. That's why there is so much porm on it.

That wasn't my point at all. If we continue this conversation, I think it may become an argument, so this will be my last response to you in this thread.


He's logically correct. The mouse uses a 1:1 control scheme, that is optimal in any FPS that uses a 2D pane for aiming (That's what FPS games use.). The "higher skill ceiling" he's referring to is a direct result of this when comparing it to how controller players aim. Consoles use an anolog joystick, the state of which dictates the direction and speed your aiming reticule will move. Using a joystick to aim the same way as a mouse would require much more precision and prediction. In essence, you have to do a lot more to get the same results, and often, that "a lot more" is unachievable due to the limitations of our reflexes, motor control, and game constraints like restricting precision/sensitivity issues. There are ways to reduce these difficulties though, you can buy joystick pads, that lengthen the apparatus, making fine control easier.
As for higher competition, better control allows players to bring as much of their talent as possible into the game, which allows for a higher level of competition. Basically, more control and talent allows for higher depth of play.

I think the problem with this conversation is people are starting to let their personal preferences, and emotions come into the mix. This is clouding judgement, and detracting from an objective and rational comprehension of what is being said. Lets be open to the possibility of either being wrong, or possibly uninformed.

Graphics aside (and they are far better for pc) it's really all about the controls.

A side effect of the controls being better for PC is that less people camp. Which is kinda a nice bonus.

That makes zero sense. Better controls means less camping? :facepalm:

It absolutly does make sense and I've seen plenty of evidence to prove it. Camping requires less movement and is easier to do than run/gun with a controller. I've been playing FPS games since wolf3d and used all types of controller setups on a variety of platforms, I'm not just pulling this out of my butt

Hell, go to youtube and look at videos of people playing a modern game on a console then look at the same game on pc. Usually the player that caps the video is doing more than camping but look at the other players. I garuntee you'll see a lot more camping on the console version videos.

Camping is the same no matter what system you play on. Using WASD to move rather than a control stick is easier? Riiight.

Disagree with me all you like, I know what I know and I've seen it countless times. It has less to do with the wasd movement than it does the actual aiming.

Before I say anything further I will point out Im getting it on Xbox360 and PC.

As has been reiterated the mouse keyboard combo gives you more control. More finesse and you can aim far, far more quickly. There is NO denying that. That said, I hate the mouse keyboard combo, i find it uncomfortable and prefer playing with a controller. At the end of the day it's about your own enjoyment.

The other big diff on PC is graphics, while a budget machine that barely runs brink won't look near as good as the PS3/Xbox360, a higher end machine will look dramatically better, will be smoother, better sound and so on.

But again, do what you want.

You are also very biased. I've played all sorts of games across 360 and PC. Camping is camping.

I'm not biased. I love my consoles just as much as I love my PC. But I do know what is better for what. I've used every type of controller setup you can imagine. Joystick, trackball, a variety of console controllers, mouse/keyboard, I even had this big crazy joystick with a backlit trackball I won at a quake 1 tournament/convention back in the 90s.

edit - I should note that by "variety of console controllers" I really mean all of them. I've used them all. First fps game I used a controller with was I think turok on nintendo 64. I remember thinking that controllers were the wave of the future for fps games at the time lol.

You're either very thick or you need to stop trolling.

Thanks for the insult. Welcome to the forums by the way.

tolaez, all I'm saying is that people see things differently. I've played FPS games back for N64 as well. I went from CoD on my 360 to on my PC, and I saw more camping. We all have different views.

Of course people see things differently. I didn't realize that was ever in question. I wonder then why you said my point of view based on my observations "makes zero sense".

I've weighed in on the topic and gave my opinion, you've stated you disagree. I don't think there's any point to saying anything else lol.