As someone who has been playing games since the 80's and run through the gamut of ways to interact with them I agree with tolaez 100%.

From what i'm reading, most of the PC gamers play both PC and Console, so therefore its non-biased. to conclude this, it seems that the console gamers lack experience playing any game on PC for that matter, which means most of their comments are far more biased..

why argue with people who have, and do, play both console and pc???

I for one play both, and i do prefer pc over console because of all the reasons listed. to add, there are more pros than cons for pc and people can gather that just by reading these posts. Thing is, most of the console gamers are really just being defensive and not knowing what to say given that most of them (not all) are biased towards console because they have never taken the time to get used to WASD control's, since well, its not as simple as moving a thumb, at first....

and players do need to consider this, PC does have better everything compared to consoles, but console gaming is cheaper, easier to learn, and easier to play with RL friends. There is no reason why PC vs. Consoles should even be discussed, they are completely different.

PC = Casual-hardcoe gamers with ages averaging from 17-36
Console = Children-Casual/Semi-hardcoe with ages averaging 7-42



my previous post is biased towards PC, bc i prefer PC, but i also state the facts, the pro's and con's... so really, my answer to all these console gamers who dont even play PC games or just play them very casually, you guys have no room to argue and get defensive since most of these PC gamers on this forum ALSO have a console lololol

C'mon people be rational.

I'm sorry but anolog controllers are quite a limiation on aiming and movement. It's the reason strafe-jumping and dolphin diving exist in the gaming world. Complex movements like those can be done on the PC.

Since more complex movements and more precision can be attained on PC, the skill ceiling is simply higher. Console gamers need to stop taking this as an insult and face the facts... you aren't bad, the system is just limiting what you can do.

As for those who are arguing that consoles have just as much competition as PC, I have a response. I've been playing FPS games on a highly competitive level for a long time and I've gone to several events. I'm sorry to say it, but one person in the tier of play I've been a victim to could take on 10 console gamers. Once again, it is because PC gamers can outmaneuver you and out-shoot you all day any day.

You might argue WASD is clunky and ineffective. But in reality, WASD makes it easier to switch directions quickly, and when used simultaneously with a mouse, very complex movements can be learned. Just look at some of the Quake videos that people posted. That simply is not possible on console. Not to mention consoles have an auto-aim for a reason.

I don't have a bias to consoles. Actually, I own and play on every single one. It is just a fact that a controller is not meant for FPS games, but it has adopted FPS games because consoles are prosocial and easy to obtain. FPS games were born on PC, and that is where they belong.

I rest my case.

I've always played FPS on consoles so avoid PC.. just cause its what I'm used to.. If you're used to it why change!?

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Controller preferences and dedicated server control like said a hundred times in this thread have to be the main differences, and as I grew up with mouse/keyboard I know I'll stick to that.

PS3 has mouse/keyboard'ish controls too however via splitfish so interested how that would work.

I cant believe i made a account just to post on this thread . (Lurker for some time now )

Let me start off by telling you that i own multiple consoles handhelds and offcourse a pc. And let me just end this thread by saying some games should be played on pc and some should be played on consoles.

Few examples:

MMO = PC Reason:Dont have enough buttons on a controller
FPS=PC Reason:Mouse is better aiming
Racing=CONSOLE Reason:Giving some gas and steering a lil bit is a pain on keyboard/mouse
Fighting=CONSOLE Reason:Controller just feels better for making combo's then a keyboard


If u dont agree on those points please reply. I would like to know on which points u disagree

I agree mostly. But for fighting games I want to point out that most people buy their own gamepad, and usually the controllers are seen as pretty bad amongst the hardcoe fighting game crowd. The same could be said for the racing games, in which you can buy the wheel and pedals. But then again most people dont buy too many accessories.

Yeah oke but im just comparing stuff using the basic accessories. If u put a mouse and keyboard on a console and the game supports it, u can play a FPS just a well as it was on a pc. (if they have dedicated servers)

No you can't. The game is hardwired for acceleration and dead-zone. Putting a mouse and keyboard on a console would be a dreadful sight to see

It is? I never knew that. Well if its true what you say then there more problems to overcome. But my previous post stands as it is .

I have a wireless 360 controller for my PC.
In essence, THE ULTIMATE GAMING MACHINE!

I hate when MMOs are fused with RPGs. Yes MMOs are mostly PC oriented games but the actual "original" RPG genre can be equally good on either platform.

RPGs differ so much that it depends on the game itself, take borderlands for example; It may be an FPS RPG but due to the button layout its actually better on Consoles due to the fact aiming isn't required. Dragon Age on the other hand, is better on PC with the way skills are handled. Elder scrolls plays better on Consoles, but the PC exlusive mods allow for more play time so thats a mixed plate.

I agree that RPGs can be played on multiple platforms. Handhelds are great for RPGs aswell. But u do have to aim in Borderlands so i dont get that point.

skill level: PC=/=360=/=PS3
Each platform has its own levels of skill, why compare them at all?

gfx and framerate: PC>Console
This isn't a flame or troll, its just how it is. PC doesn't have the same limitations as console.
So if you have an upgraded PC like I do, gaming will just be smoother and cleaner on it.
The reason you can't compare them is because of the limitation difference.


Some games play better on console than they do on PC, and vice versa.
If you feel like you would have more fun playing on console than its all up to you.
If you have the money for a kick ass PC, then build one and play Brink on it. Or not.

-shrug-

Main reason for me why PC is a tad better just comes down to aiming. Controlling with an anolog vs. mouse, mouse is always gonna win it when it comes down to accuracy and how quickly you can respond. And if you're like me, you control your mouse using your fingertips instead of bracing your entire hand over it, allowing more precise movement (and longer gameplay, since you're only moving your fingers instead of your entire arm). There's also arm spacing. You can keep your upper body at a more relaxed setting when you have your left hand at your left side and your right hand at your right, instead of bringing both of your hands inward and causing strain on your shoulders when you start slumping. For your health, man, go PC! (Especially if your desk is like main and L-shaped, letting your entire right arm set down flat)

As far as whether or not you're gonna be better or worse with either...well, everyone you'll be playing with or against will be using the same controller setup, so the handicap will be there for everyone.

Controls and graphics are obvious. In addition to that, PC offers more customization and tweaks. With PC you can usually adjust visual effects to suit your taste: disable distracting stuff like weather effects. And with console commands you should be able to hide gun from being shown, make movement more smooth, lock framerates, etc. etc. Small stuff that helps you become better player. I dunno if you can even change your FOV on PS3 or Xbox.

And then there's the possibility of mods. Small mods like ETPro turned Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory from really good to totally awesome. Big Total conversion mods like Truecombat Elite turned it into completely different games. Some of the custom maps were really good too.

Offtopic:

Seeing those old Quake fragmovies that some people posted in this thread made me a little bit sad. I mean, I really want Brink to be a good game, and I have high hopes for Splash Damage.. but honestly after seeing gameplay footage of it, I can't see it having anywhere near that kind of "skill ceiling". I'm afraid that it's going to be just another console shooter.

But maybe I'm wrong. I was worried about TF2 too before it's release and it turned out to be one of the best fps games ever made. I just don't want Brink to be another Wolfenstein (2010).

Yea I have the same hopes for Brink, but you can't make games like Quake or mods like CPM anymore, they just aren't popular to masses of people because they can't pick it up and instantly be pro (like in COD). I've been waiting a longtime for some new FPS to come along and bring some life to the same old crowd of FPS's we see. As much as I'd like to see remakes of a select few games it just won't happen. It's too bad really because very often the games with the best gameplay usually aren't the most accessible or pretty looking. All of this gives me hope with Brink though, because I've heard the community will be given tools to mod eventually, which is where gamers really bring the games best features to life and give them the longevity (another reason why I try to buy most games on PC).

For starters, I'm pretty sure I'm echoing the sentiment that it's all left up to preference.

For me, the Mouse & Keyboard are clearly the best choice. It has been proven through many studies (I'm too lazy to link the Gamasutra articles) that a controller is not only less accurate, it relies on fewer anatomical resources (it utilizes something like a handful of fine motor control tendons on a controller vs. a vastly larger array of both fine and gross motor muscles and tendons on the mouse & keyboard).

If Brink turns out to be just another console shooter to accommodate the controller, the preference is moot - both platforms will be receiving a console game designed for a controller and no amount of superior input devices will dramatically affect gameplay.

If you're new to the FPS, I'd suggest learning on a controller first. Why? After learning on the Mouse & Keyboard first, in my personal experience, I've found the controller slower and obnoxiously inferior (a lot of frustration during the switch/acclimation periods). For many who have never learned how to play on the PC and have started playing shooters with a controller, there is much less frustration in adapting to the peripheral (no biases against the input device from the start).

Either way, I'm looking forward to this game.

I grew up with Playstation and have very rarely owned a PC game, but I'd love to have a decent gaming rig to start playing on instead. :sadvaultboy:

I think this thread has opened an interesting can of worms.....
I have been playing video games scince the mid seventies and the evolution of both hardware and software has been incredible...
as a child the consoles we use today would have been science fiction back then.
I have been an avid console and PC gamer and I think that it would be fair to say that console and PC gaming are significantly different beasts.

I think in my experience that the differences can be simplified by thinking about it this way....

in pc gaming there is a real advantage to spending your money to upgrade your rig with infinitley adjustable laser mice / graphics cards / high speed memory/ overclocked processors etc
in short you have more real options if you are really (I hate to use the term but...) hardcoe...therefore it makes sense to use as a 'serious' gaming platform...ipso facto the existence of professional gamers with mindblowing gaming rigs....

Consoles provide a stable, uniform platform and as such the differences between players will be skill reaction time etc.....

casual gaming= console
competetive gaming = bank loan= monster PC

i suppose if i were to choose an anology it would be customising cars.... sports edition car from the dealership or.... 3 stage tune, yokohama exaust, carbon fibre prop shaft etc

I'm sure this has been said more than a few times now but my personal reasons for choosing the PC version is better aiming, less lag and mostly the community of players being more mature. Every platform will have their immature players but consoles are plagued with them and playing with the immature will = less teamplay which will kill the experience of the game. I also think the price tag of having a PC that can play Brink will automatically weed out a good amount of the immature.