Was watching Underworld 2 today, and I realized Marcus looks 'exactly' like the vampire lord of Dawnguard.

What happened Bethesda? Being unoriginal isn't cutting it anymore? I am disappoint.

http://grassetti.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/marcuswip03blow.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/underworld/images/b/b1/295ekh0.jpg

i actually have been thinking the same thing since the trailor come out.....still awesome tho!

I thought that was obvious from the get go..

IMO, Bethesda made it look more awesome.

the rip-off has been painfully clear since day one

I hadn't seen underworld until now, though. Although I didn't enjoy the movies much at all. If Bethesda seriously turns Dawnguard into an Underworld plot, I don't even think I'll be buying it.

Dawnguard's base plot has been revealed for ages now.

The Volkihar vampire clan (only vampires that can turn into the vampire lord form..and are Lore wise the strongest Vampire clan..rivaled only by the age old Cyrodil vampire clan) wants to blot out the sun so Vampires can rule the world..Vampire Hunters wanna stop that from happening.

TC, you showed two pictures of Marcus. For a minute I thought the clay model was the Skyrim model.


Here is the Skyrim model:
http://images.vg247.com/current//2012/06/20120606skyrim_dawnguard_e3_12VampireLord.jpeg

Compared to Marcus:
http://images.wikia.com/underworld/images/b/b1/295ekh0.jpg

They're still very very similar but not identical. I personally have always found the vampire lord to be unoriginal and not fitting to the TES universe. However it isn't as if Underworld invented that look. It is a modern version of the nosferatu-look and I guess Bethesda thought it was alright to copy it seeing how it has become some sort of standard. For example I recall that Dracule in his ''vampire lord'' mode also looked similar in the movie Van Helsing.

Well it sorta does fit the TES Universe and Lore since if I recall in Immortal Blood they say not all is known about the mysterious Volkihar clan..other than they are the strongest Vampire clan which is what we will have to accept is the explanation of why they can turn into the Vampire Lord form.

Can't really say it doesn't fit the Universe/Lore when Bethesda didn't really set in stone what the true lore about the Volkihar is.

Yeah, just one of the many reasons I'm not as excited for Dawngaurd as I should be.
I've hated this design since day one.

But Bethesda really couldn't think of a more original Vampire Lord form? It's literally the same thing as Marcus and whatever else it resembles. Maybe it could've been a type of wraith or a more beastial form. Not an ugly grey guy with wings.

Well the Vampire Lord form as stated earlier by another poster has become the standard for diabolical Vampire villains in movies.

Dracula in Van Hellsing turned into it...the villain from Underworld turns into it...

Its more or less the modern day version of Nosferatu.

I personally am liking how it looks, gives the Volkihar vampires something special to set them apart from the Cyrodilic Vampires which they were basically clones of in Vanilla skyrim..which broke the known Lore about the Volkihar a lot.

Cyrodil's vampires are the only vampires that feed on sleeping people, the Volkihar like other vampires in the TES universe prefer to sink their fangs into a awake enemy/villager which you'll be able to do in Dawnguard in normal form and VL form...also another thing they are changing is..

Feeding makes you stronger rather than starving yourself which made the Cyrodil vampires stronger.

You get perks in the Vampire Lord skill tree as you feed and Bethesda supposedly added quite a few feeding animations for normal vampire form and VL form..and supposedly some of the VL perks carry over to your normal form..but can't say for sure.

Seems apparent the first perk in the skill tree and Blood healing (feeding in combat fully restores your HP) carry over to your normal form.

Underworld wasn't exactly original with its vampire lord transformation either :S

Doesn't mean bethesda HAS to follow the standard.


I'm not defending the movie, I actually disliked it quite a bit. It was just the first instance I saw of the vampire lord thing.

I understand that. It is just that vampires in the TES universe doesn't abide by vampire ''rules'' from our world. It just seems weird for a TES vampire to morph into a Noferatu-like creature. I can accept that TES vampires can also morph, it is just a little cheap that they turn out to be identical to vampire morphs seen in vampire stories that are supposed to take place in our world.

That isn't why they want to blot out the sun. They want to blot it out to stop a prophecy that says all vampires will be eradicated.

I have not been that attracted to the whole VL thing, but I really enjoy playing Vampires. The beast image was not favored by me from the start and as I have not seen Underworld, when this was first brought to my attention, I was rather upset and disappointed.

EDIT : I hit the apply button a little too early.

But I can see this image as something of a standard for the super Vampire types, like Werewolf images.

As if vampires in a game are so original.....

I still think it's awesome though. And besides, Marcus doesn't have any magical powers. He's just a human/bat hybrid with increased strength and the ability to fly. In Dawnguard, we get a whole lot more.

Don't worry, if things go as I expect you'll be able to use some of the perks unlocked in the VL perk tree in your normal Vampire form..if not..well..at least you don't have to sneak into houses to feed, no need to turn into the VL, I suppose.

It'll be stupid if the blood healing perk doesn't carry over.
(Feeding in combat entirely fills your HP)

I don't thik it's as much about the mechanics as it is just the appearance.

A vampire is a vampire.

If you read Immortal Blood it actually states that the Volkihar vamps are only known as ugly creatures that live under the ice so it makes sense they would have this form (and is the only form people have ever seen of them) they had no clue they even have a human form. So this was hinted at before the DLC was even started.


I would love to answer this but I can't say any specifics about them until Tuesday (when the flood of topics will come in from my fellow beta testers) about DG

If you want a transformation for a vampire, then this is the way to go, even when it's ripped off. Vampires have always been asociated with bats.

I do suppose a creature that would've leaned more towards the bat than a humanoid would've been better in terms of originality. But 'in my opinion' Beth has done a fine job. It works for me.

You serious? You haven't even played the damm expansion!!!

Also the abilities Marcus have are WAY different then the vampire lords.