Why spears?

Kiting.

Medium armor or light + athletics & acrobatics training + Mofo Spears >>> Daedric & not-spears.

Yeah, also: I miss crossbows. Did full damage on click, no pull-back time, mechanically reliably consistent shots and damage. I think they're a superior assassin weapon than a manual bow.

They have been commonly used because in war, men fight in groups. A long spear was the primary weapon of the Greek hoplites, who fought in the close-ranks phalanx formation, with a short sword as a secondary weapon. The Roman soldiers, who fought in somewhat looser-order formations, used a pair of javelins (the pilum, plural form pila) as their opening weapon, then switched to a short sword, the gladius. There have been spears and other polearms used by soldiers in well-ordered formations through history.

But in the battles in Skyrim, which are usually one on one, or at most several against several, the spear is less useful. They're easier to evade and are useless for parrying. A block of spearmen in close formation with long, eight-foot spears can be nearly invulnerable against an equivalent number of swordsmen. Give them some longer spears and they'll drive off cavalry. But put one dude with a spear up against one dude with a sword, and the guy with the sword will knock the spear out of the way, drive in close and use that sword in combat, too close for the spear to be much use.

This is all discussing a relatively realistic heavy hand-to-hand spear, or a still-heavy pilum designed to be thrown into the enemy's shield. That spear you saw in the video wasn't a spear, it was a bo staff with a pointy end. A stick with a sharp end is only so useful against enemies in even light armor. They'll have no mass and no strength to penetrate armor. That spear in the video was just that - a stick - and that's why they were spinning it around like a stick or a bo staff and stunning the enemy. You could do that, but it would be useless against anybody with metal armor on. Make the spear heavier, like a real infantry spear, and then it becomes a dangerous offensive weapon - but you wouldn't be doing any of those fancy spins and bo staff stunts.

But again, the OP wasn't asking why people wanted spears, he was asking why people were upset about their absence. Wanting spears is fine and rational; being upset that they aren't in the game is just damn nuts.

I'd like to see spears just to have a bigger weapons base. Plus you have to think how the NPCs would handle it. It would change gameplay more than you think if handled correctly.

I miss my silver spear from Morrowing... and killing those little orangish imp things. Are there any enemies in skyrim that require one specific thing to kill them? I liked how in Morrowing the imps required silver weapons to kill them. I thought the Werewolves would be that way but nope.

I also like the way the silver weapons look they just are so weak.

yeah i would like spears to comeback same goes with crossbows and throwing weapons. it adds more diversity and also adds new ways to play your character instead of just swinging melee weapons like swords/axes/maces at differing speed same goes with 2h weapons it adds a new element to try out.

and please bring back crossbows i miss them dearly

Wait didn't FNV have spears?

Crossbows would simply be bows with a different graphic, from an actual use standpoint. Spears wouild add an entirely new weapon class and several different tactical options (throwing for a powerful hit at fairly short ranges, and jabbing opponents from longer range than other melee weapons allow).

I'm not sure what is worse, The people who get upset over the lack of spears or the people who go to impressive lengths to prove that spears are not suitable for skyrim.
If i'm facing a Draugr deathlord who uses magic i don't think it's a good idea to run at him swinging a sword like a loony, I would lob a a spear at him to soften him up, It could work...

It's a pointy thing that does damage & it will hurt someone when thrown at them, No need to copy & paste from the spear wiki to disprove an idea that would add a bit of choice to the game.

I'm not sure what is worse, The people who get upset over the lack of spears or the people who go to impressive lengths to prove that spears are not suitable for skyrim.
If i'm facing a Draugr deathlord who uses magic i don't think it's a good idea to run at him swinging a sword like a loony, I would lob a a spear at him to soften him up, It could work...

It's a pointy thing that does damage & it will hurt someone when thrown at them, No need to copy & paste from the spear wiki to disprove an idea that would add a bit of choice to the game.

Well, they're an anti-undead weapon in Skyrim. I haven't needed them, but improve one and enchant it and I bet it goes through Draugr Deathlords like a knife through undead butter.

Me either but last time I checked you can't improve them? I had silver bars and a silver sword and 100 smithing but no improvements for it.

I like how it looks. I don't like how msot of the swords look... they look like they wouldn't be useful as a sword...

Well, maybe they aren't improvable. I'll have to check that out. What perks did you have?

In other words, you want a completely unrealistic and silly "spear" in the game that is nothing like a real spear. Unlike the otherwise fairly realistic weapons in the game.

otherwise fairly realistic weapons in the game

realistic weapons in the game

Skyrim: Realistic Weapons

"REAL" spears would be pretty useless without a small army of fellow spearmen backing you.

There's no point to a "realism" spears argument.

Kiting with spears added a completely different combat style. If you're going to add new stuff, make it play slightly different. Spears are perfect for that.

And "there is no point to a 'realiism' spears argument" just means "what I want is unrealistic, so I don't wanna talk about realism".

See "Skyrim: Realistic Weapons" = "LOL". I do want to talk about "realism" in Skyrim.

We've got knife weilding ninjas that can instantly kill someone who would otherwise take 6 arrows through the brain.
Weapons telekenetically cut behind sheilds and plate with the garunteed damage system (Which, mind you, was in response to the "WHY DO OPPONENTS DODGE OR WHILE WEARING THICK ARMOR MANAGE TO SHRUG OFF MY BLOWS SOMETIMES?" [censored]ing from the old combat system.) SO MUCH MORE REALISTIC THIS WAY THOUGH.
Bandits in their birthday suits have 10X the HP in comparison to another bandit in full orcish because he's just that much more badass.
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spears just fit for the spirit of the theme they were going. Most vikings hunted and fought wars with spears. Also it is a weapon that makes sense in a war setting as they are valid strategic weapons. Against dragons they are equally valid. There is a load more that can be said why spears should have been in,, but the question that should be asked is "why not have spears?"

I'd rather have a bec-de-corbin or something like it, but I'll take what I can get. As for the realism, what will they do about blocking with a spear?